FL Studio - Should I bother?

[Germ777]

Will Sytrus 2 be a VST that can be used in other hosts?

When is it expected?

Yes. When you buy Sytrus you buy the FL synth if you own FL and/or the VSTi for those who don`t have FL.
I have FL and have the option of using Sytrus both in and outside of FL which I often do inside EXT.
As for the time of the next version/GP. I have no idea as IL never really tells you a thing about it until the very end, but I would guess that FL6 is coming out later this month or in december and Sytrus 2 GP will come sometime along the same time.

[SynisTAr]

Soon there will be a Sytrus 2 GP (as noted above)so you can jump on that and yes. Sytrus is much more than a DX clone.
Later.

I must say, the previous Sytrus group buy was an outstanding bargain by the end . I missed it simply because it coincided with other purchases, etc (Live 5 beta testing and launch, to be precise!)

That's when I got it . It's had a couple of updates, ver 1.5 is the latest (not just bug fixes)so maybe you should look at it again. I'm sure the GB will be another major success!

Will Sytrus 2 be a VST that can be used in other hosts?

Yeah. I don't know how well though! I use it in FL on a 2800+ Athlon. I can run the "CPU hog" Sytrus demo FLP's no problem.

When is it expected?

My guess for a release date would be within the next couple of months

[Thoth93]

Well, if there is a group buy for Sytrus 2, then I may get in on that, especially if the potential price drop is big. How much did it go for in the group buy?

[Carbonboy]

PS the reason I ask is because when I previously tried it out I liked it lots, but found it VERY intensive in CPU... I could only run Sytrus in a host that has a Freeze function, which FL does not (even in its next version 6 incarnation )

For crying out loud, you can freeze channels in FL 4, 5 and 6 with only a few mouse clicks.

Carb.

[headquest]

For crying out loud, you can freeze channels in FL 4, 5 and 6 with only a few mouse clicks.

Carb.

No, you can bounce

The thing I do particularly like about FL is the MIDI editing. Freezing allows you to go back and do more of that editing.

FL's creators have said on this forum within the past two weeks that FL does not offer a freeze function, and nor is it likely to in the foreseeable future.

[BONES]

Which seems completely fair and resonable to me. None of us had freeze when we were using 400MHz processors and now that we have 5 time the power, suddenly freeze is a deal-breaker. It crazy.

Just lifetime free updates (this is worth far more than people here seem to give it credit, this suggests to me this place is 90% Warez users ). I mean come on, it's like $200-300 free upgrades every year...I have been using FL since 2002 so that's $600-800 value for nothing!

Compared to what? ORION has only ever had one upgrade that you had to pay for and that was when Rich put audio recording in against his own wishes and made us pay for doing it to him. That's $50 in 5 years rather than $200-$300 a year. And when audio recording went into Fruity they changed the names of everything and added it as an extra tier so that if you wanted it you had to pay to move up to "Producer Edition". So they just made you pay for it in a less than honest way.
As I mentioned yesterday, EnergyXT updates are all free and it costs a fraction of Fruity's price. And in case you haven't noticed, ImageLine are pretty good at making some of the really cool new stuff a plug-in that you have to pay for. I doubt you will ever see a real-time Impulse Response Processor included in a free update, unlike the recent free ORION upgrade.[/quote]

[headquest]

Which seems completely fair and resonable to me. None of us had freeze when we were using 400MHz processors and now that we have 5 time the power, suddenly freeze is a deal-breaker. It crazy.

I can't imagine anyone would run Sytrus on a 400Mhz processor

[Lusamars]

Yea bones!!! orion is the best!! flstudio sucks!! yeaaa!!! i´m so great!!!!

[Carbonboy]

For crying out loud, you can freeze channels in FL 4, 5 and 6 with only a few mouse clicks.

Carb.

No, you can bounce

The thing I do particularly like about FL is the MIDI editing. Freezing allows you to go back and do more of that editing.

This is semantics. Freezing is nothing more than turning virtual tracks into Audio-tracks and then disabling the original instruments.

So you -

1) turn the mixer tracks these instruments are linked to audio-clips.

2) Disable the channels that were involved.

Done.

FL staff have said that they are not planning to impliment ez-freezing due to the complexities involved such as automation etc (so what?), not that the above is so hard to do manually. Note that IL said they wouldn't impliment audio-recording, loop-recording and PDC, which have all now been (or are to be) done.

And as BONES pointed out what is the sudden Freeze is imperative issue? It's a work-around and to be avoided in my book. If you are running out of CPU get a new CPU.

Carb.

[headquest]

This is semantics. Freezing is nothing more than turning virtual tracks into Audio-tracks and then disabling the original instruments.

So you -

1) turn the mixer tracks these instruments are linked to audio-clips.

2) Disable the channels that were involved.

Done.

Yeah, I hear where you're coming from... I used to work in a similar way in Live 4 (i.e. before Ableton implemented freeze). Not all VST instruments are totally disabled this way, of course. Anyway, this has been exhaustively debated elsewhere

I'm damn glad that Ableton does now have a freeze, mind you. It's simply more efficient

Following through your method in FL, when I demo'ed FL5 I still found audio tracks seemed to be treated as an afterthought (in truth, they probably are just that).

Stacking up a pile of rendered tracks as audio dumped at the bottom end of the PlayList is not really the way I personally prefer to work. I'll take your word for it, though, that it is at least functional.

[Jaeson Merrill]

the freeze issue is overdone.

it needs it, its possible by the current architecture of FL, and it can make things alot easier.

end of story. want more info, search it.

[sdv]

At one point, I was all hot to get the XXL edition of this software, but then I decided to try other hosts instead.

The reason I bought the XXL package was for the AUTOMATION. Even though I have alot of non-IL VSTs the ones included with the XXL package automate so very cleanly in FLS that it was worth the difference in price for the extra synths/players.