Vote now for your top 3 feature request
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 6 Sep, 2005
19, 7, 37.
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- KVRist
- 190 posts since 17 Nov, 2003
18,10,11
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
I think 3 includes 33. That's why I voted the way I did.
3, 7, 25
In my opinion, 3 also includes 51.
When I read "ACID like loop functionality..." I think it's fair to also compare to Live or even Garageband. Timestretch and Beatslicing are a given if you're to adjust the tempo for projects on the fly. This may not be practical for projects that mix loops and traditional multitrack recording but I don't think anyone expects to record a 3 minute bass take and have it still work when adjusted 30% in any direction. No, this is primarily for loop and phrase based idea sketches or creative sound design like film and video.
That's my take on it.
3, 7, 25
In my opinion, 3 also includes 51.
When I read "ACID like loop functionality..." I think it's fair to also compare to Live or even Garageband. Timestretch and Beatslicing are a given if you're to adjust the tempo for projects on the fly. This may not be practical for projects that mix loops and traditional multitrack recording but I don't think anyone expects to record a 3 minute bass take and have it still work when adjusted 30% in any direction. No, this is primarily for loop and phrase based idea sketches or creative sound design like film and video.
That's my take on it.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
They're two separate things. Tracktion already has a time stretch algo, its just not very good. So Acid loop drawing could be implemented using the current Tracktion algo. They're separate. A new time stretch algo would probably increase the price of T becuase of licensing. So its a big step .james wrote:I think 3 includes 33. That's why I voted the way I did.
3, 7, 25
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
I also want to say thank you to Rock.
This thread is the most positive, constructive thing to come out of this forum in a year.
People who actually use the program can feel like they are being listened to and are helping to shape the direction of future development. I haven't felt this positive about the program's community since before Mackie took over distribution. I don't mean to add more criticism here, just point out that Mackie has an opportunity to respond in a genuine way to those of us who have invested time and money into seeing it succeed.
Beno's post is a good sign. More official recognition from Mackie would be nice as well. Something along the lines of "We want to say thank you to our loyal user base for the comments and suggestions in this recent poll. Hard data on the popularity of specific feature requests is valuable to us. Be assured that we are paying attention and will carefully consider these suggestions for future development." There, just sign it and be done. No promises made, none broken, just an acknowledgment.
...off the soapbox now.
Best,
James
This thread is the most positive, constructive thing to come out of this forum in a year.
People who actually use the program can feel like they are being listened to and are helping to shape the direction of future development. I haven't felt this positive about the program's community since before Mackie took over distribution. I don't mean to add more criticism here, just point out that Mackie has an opportunity to respond in a genuine way to those of us who have invested time and money into seeing it succeed.
Beno's post is a good sign. More official recognition from Mackie would be nice as well. Something along the lines of "We want to say thank you to our loyal user base for the comments and suggestions in this recent poll. Hard data on the popularity of specific feature requests is valuable to us. Be assured that we are paying attention and will carefully consider these suggestions for future development." There, just sign it and be done. No promises made, none broken, just an acknowledgment.
...off the soapbox now.
Best,
James
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- KVRAF
- 2028 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from New York, N.Y.
Well, now that Mackie knows how badly we all want folder tracks, it'll likely be saved for a paid upgrade! (Sorry for the cynicism)...But I'll be glad if I'm proven wrong, of course...
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
AD80,
My fault for not making the distinction.
I think most of us have tried the current timestretching feature and found it to be of such poor quality that it's not a practical option. It's also not intuitively implemented. Tracktion is already making important steps to accomodate film and video post production. This goes hand in hand with that.
According to the results so far, many people seem to vote 3 as an important priority. Furthermore, I don't think that using 3rd party plugs and rewired apps is the solution. Mackie would be better served to keep such well requested features in-house.
It's hard enough to build a user base, why send people away looking for other apps to fill important holes. I'm a good example, using Live rewired to Tracktion. The more I use Live, the more I tend to think I could just buy the darn thing and replace Tracktion. Believe me, that's exactly why Ableton bundles the lite version which, by the way, packs a lot of performance. I'd be far less inclined to jump if Mackie were to make a commitment to improving looping (which is analogous to adding quality timestretch for me). The difference in price is significant. Surely there can be some middle ground between T/125 and L/350 (street)?
The only question left then is how much more would people pay? I don't have an answer to that. It's probably a marketing question for Mackie to ask.
My fault for not making the distinction.
I think most of us have tried the current timestretching feature and found it to be of such poor quality that it's not a practical option. It's also not intuitively implemented. Tracktion is already making important steps to accomodate film and video post production. This goes hand in hand with that.
According to the results so far, many people seem to vote 3 as an important priority. Furthermore, I don't think that using 3rd party plugs and rewired apps is the solution. Mackie would be better served to keep such well requested features in-house.
It's hard enough to build a user base, why send people away looking for other apps to fill important holes. I'm a good example, using Live rewired to Tracktion. The more I use Live, the more I tend to think I could just buy the darn thing and replace Tracktion. Believe me, that's exactly why Ableton bundles the lite version which, by the way, packs a lot of performance. I'd be far less inclined to jump if Mackie were to make a commitment to improving looping (which is analogous to adding quality timestretch for me). The difference in price is significant. Surely there can be some middle ground between T/125 and L/350 (street)?
The only question left then is how much more would people pay? I don't have an answer to that. It's probably a marketing question for Mackie to ask.
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
For the record, I actually suggested 7.
For example, I think it's pretty silly that there is no "loop this clip" button for midi and drag to continue the loop...or that you can't drop a filter on a clip.
T2 made some good improvments to midi but it's still not as dead easy as it should be to do relatively straight forward things like program a 2 bar drum loop.
Why not have a single keystroke for "create a 2 bar pattern, default snap quantize at 16th notes, fixed editing grid size one octave at middle c"??? Heck, put a button for it in the track options or, better yet, in the (hope for) improved sampler. It should be THAT easy. Anyone who's spent 15 minutes editing midi with the Live demo knows what I mean. This isn't difficult stuff to implement either.
For example, I think it's pretty silly that there is no "loop this clip" button for midi and drag to continue the loop...or that you can't drop a filter on a clip.
T2 made some good improvments to midi but it's still not as dead easy as it should be to do relatively straight forward things like program a 2 bar drum loop.
Why not have a single keystroke for "create a 2 bar pattern, default snap quantize at 16th notes, fixed editing grid size one octave at middle c"??? Heck, put a button for it in the track options or, better yet, in the (hope for) improved sampler. It should be THAT easy. Anyone who's spent 15 minutes editing midi with the Live demo knows what I mean. This isn't difficult stuff to implement either.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Maybe I can help.... Acid looping functionality is not the same as having a good time stretch algo. If that were the case then Cubase VST 5 would have Acid looping becuase it had good time stretch. Cubase SX1 had Mpex stretching which is very good, again, not Acid looping. Acid looping means you'll double click or drag a clip to the track and it'll automatically stretch it to fit the tempo and you can paint it to different lengths etc. Obviously a good time stretch goes hand and hand with that feature to make it sound good. And I'm all for it. Its easily in my top 10. But its still two seperate things. So use two of your votesclueless wrote:
although I'm still really no wiser about my '3 or 33' dilemma
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- KVRAF
- 5782 posts since 10 Mar, 2003 from Music Shed #8
exactly! To me, ACID style looping implies a certain level of quality as well as functionality. Otherwise, why not say "3 - ACID style looping, but not very good" + "33 - decent native timestretch to make the ACID style looping useable"? It's late, I'm confused...AD80 wrote:Obviously a good time stretch goes hand and hand with that feature to make it sound good.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
clueless wrote:exactly! To me, ACID style looping implies a certain level of quality as well as functionality. Otherwise, why not say "3 - ACID style looping, but not very good" + "33 - decent native timestretch to make the ACID style looping useable"? It's late, I'm confused...AD80 wrote:Obviously a good time stretch goes hand and hand with that feature to make it sound good.
Well because Cubase VST, SX, Pro Tools, Logic, DP, FruityLoops, Melodyne, and Cool Edit Pro all had number 33 but NOT number 3. So obviously they're not the same thing. Having a good time stretch doesnt imply or include the ability to drag a loop to a project and have it automatically be locked to time ala Acid.
Luckily you get 3 votes so you can vote for 3 and 33. (thats a lot of 3's)
If it were top 5 features, I would definitely vote for 33!
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- KVRAF
- 1600 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Seattle, WA
To respond to James et. all. We definitely are looking at these. We actually just talked about this thread and the results of it at our weekly Tracktion meeting today. One other thing of worthy note, almost every item was already on our list from previous discussions but having a nice total of everything you all want and in what order will prove invaluable. Thanks a lot for everyones participation.
Ben
Ben