Why is Sonar still treated like the underdog?

[neverfall]

Fixed what? Insert "Ableton Live"

Gee, you could think of the one obvious exception. It would have been slightly more compelling if you hadnt jumped on the easy one, TBH.

Shhh. Read this...

It is my expectation that you cannot list a particular SONAR FEATURE which would honestly arise again and again to stand out in a stadium the size of a milk carton where you could easily say, "Yes I hit a homerun with this particular listed Sonar feature".

See expectations can be a motherf**ker sometimes. I guess that's why I put up with Sonar for so many years while expecting it to change. While you still can't list Sonar features or show me a marketing ad that positions it to stand out from the rest you also continue to make an ass of yourself. See it doesn't matter...who could run up in this thread and defend you. Nor does it matter what YOU CLAIM to expect...

I expect you to respond to ANYTHING other than what this thread initially questions. See I thought that Nuendo...Pro Tools...maybe even Digital Performer would have been even more obvious examples judging by the fact that the Nuendo has been positioned as a lower cost post production alternative to Pro Tools and DP has long been considered the go to sequencer for scoring to video/film. This is how Steinberg and Motu chose to BRAND those DAWS. This is how they separated themselves from the others. Pro Tools...well need I even go there?


See WhyteRabbit...one of my favorite "Lost" episodes by the way...


Sometimes it just pays to STFU instead of attempting to create an argument when no such thing is necessary. When I mentioned, "This was a setup" to Argle it was really meant to be tongue in cheek. I didn't really want to argue. The fact is that so-called "setup" did give ONE answer to the OP's question...and since you SO REFUSE to answer why is Sonar still considered the underdog you'll play stupid...or maybe you really aren't all too bright enough to understand when enough's enough.


All of this back and forth nonsense isn't necessary. Sonar simply has a history that's been hard to shake off. Yes it's a Windows only Daw. No it's never set any earth shaking standards or been positioned as anything other than "the alternative". Yes it's lived in Cubase's shadow for years. Those who've already moved on to other Daws might not realize how great Sonar is these days.


Maybe I'm one of them. Just my opinion but maybe...the OP should have asked why is Sonar considered an underdog in PRO circles? Then again...why should he? I think Sonar is the #1 selling Windows Daw in the U.S. correct? Obviously this is thanks to its home user base. Sonar is simply not a DAW you'll find being used in many pro recording studios or even news editing booths. Hell I've seen Adobe Audition used in radio stations...never Sonar.


Why? I suspect because it's the underdog. Judging from what used to happen when I had questions about Sonar...there weren't too many people I could turn to for answers other than Cakewalk support an an internet forum.

Not the same with Pro Tools at all. Neither with Logic or Live.


Depends on your circle I guess. Or their status?

[donkey tugger]

Fixed what? Insert "Ableton Live"

Gee, you could think of the one obvious exception. It would have been slightly more compelling if you hadnt jumped on the easy one, TBH.

Shhh. Read this...

It is my expectation that you cannot list a particular SONAR FEATURE which would honestly arise again and again to stand out in a stadium the size of a milk carton where you could easily say, "Yes I hit a homerun with this particular listed Sonar feature".

See expectations can be a motherf**ker sometimes. I guess that's why I put up with Sonar for so many years while expecting it to change. While you still can't list Sonar features or show me a marketing ad that positions it to stand out from the rest you also continue to make an ass of yourself. See it doesn't matter...who could run up in this thread and defend you. Nor does it matter what YOU CLAIM to expect...

I expect you to respond to ANYTHING other than what this thread initially questions. See I thought that Nuendo...Pro Tools...maybe even Digital Performer would have been even more obvious examples judging by the fact that the Nuendo has been positioned as a lower cost post production alternative to Pro Tools and DP has long been considered the go to sequencer for scoring to video/film. This is how Steinberg and Motu chose to BRAND those DAWS. This is how they separated themselves from the others. Pro Tools...well need I even go there?


See WhyteRabbit...one of my favorite "Lost" episodes by the way...


Sometimes it just pays to STFU instead of attempting to create an argument when no such thing is necessary. When I mentioned, "This was a setup" to Argle it was really meant to be tongue in cheek. I didn't really want to argue. The fact is that so-called "setup" did give ONE answer to the OP's question...and since you SO REFUSE to answer why is Sonar still considered the underdog you'll play stupid...or maybe you really aren't all too bright enough to understand when enough's enough.


All of this back and forth nonsense isn't necessary. Sonar simply has a history that's been hard to shake off. Yes it's a Windows only Daw. No it's never set any earth shaking standards or been positioned as anything other than "the alternative". Yes it's lived in Cubase's shadow for years. Those who've already moved on to other Daws might not realize how great Sonar is these days.


Maybe I'm one of them. Just my opinion but maybe...the OP should have asked why is Sonar considered an underdog in PRO circles? Then again...why should he? I think Sonar is the #1 selling Windows Daw in the U.S. correct? Obviously this is thanks to its home user base. Sonar is simply not a DAW you'll find being used in many pro recording studios or even news editing booths. Hell I've seen Adobe Audition used in radio stations...never Sonar.


Why? I suspect because it's the underdog. Judging from what used to happen when I had questions about Sonar...there weren't too many people I could turn to for answers other than Cakewalk support an an internet forum.

Not the same with Pro Tools at all. Neither with Logic or Live.


Depends on your circle I guess. Or their status?

Surely, this man was the son o god.

[Hink]

[whyterabbyt]

I expect you to respond to ANYTHING other than what this thread initially questions.

So tell us what it is about Sonar that you love, and what features do you think it does better than other DAW's?

did you miss it AGAIN?

[neverfall]

I expect you to respond to ANYTHING other than what this thread initially questions.

So tell us what it is about Sonar that you love, and what features do you think it does better than other DAW's?

did you miss it AGAIN?

Although in the last few years Sonar has consistently gained industry recognition for innovation and features, for some reason it seems it's still treated as an after thought and an underdog by the music-making crowd. Why is that? It seems the pre-Sonar Cakewalk stigma is still kind of attached and people just seem to not think about it and only mention Cubase, Live, Logic, Samplitude...etc? (Well to be fair, no one ever talks about Digital Performer here either.)

I know we have a bunch of Sonar users here. So tell us what it is about Sonar that you love, and what features do you think it does better than other DAW's?

Do you understand what a ? means? You only need a basic education to grasp its meaning.


Look...closely...

Where is the first ? placed? "Initially"...speak English yes? It's in direct relation to the thread's title.


No matter how silly you attempt to make yourself look...


Rabbit...tricks are still for kids.


Expecting I'd say that sooner or later did ya?

[Hink]

so I guess my attempt at starting the wave is not going to happen?

[Stupid American Pig]

USA! USA! USA!

[whyterabbyt]

Do you understand what a ? means? You only need a basic education to grasp its meaning.

Do you know what a logical fallacy is?

I'll give you a clue. If you look real hard you can find one just before one of those little ? you like so much.

Here's your second clue; they don't merit serious response. hence the reason its not getting one from me.

Here's the third clue :

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... stion.html

you're on your own now, kiddo. have fun.

[neverfall]

Do you understand what a ? means? You only need a basic education to grasp its meaning.

Do you know what a logical fallacy is?

I'll give you a clue. If you look real hard you can find one just before one of those little ? you like so much.

Here's your second clue; they don't merit serious response. hence the reason its not getting one from me.

Here's the third clue :

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... stion.html

you're on your own now, kiddo. have fun.

Nah son...I'll be the only adult giving out clues today.


Clue #1...the next time you see a thread with a title you suspect infers to a logic fallacy...refuse to click on that bitch and keep it moving towards a thread more worthy of your "rational input".


Clue #2...Find a mirror and ask yourself what sort of a jackass enters an "illogical" thread and chooses to argue with the "asshole" who has given a decent response to the initial question asked in this thread. It's one thing to be an asshole...but who's leaving this discussion with shit on his face? Grab a few tissues before you peep in that mirror aight?


Clue # 3....


Any 'ol random ass Cubase v. Sonar thread from Cakewalk's forums.



http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1018 ... e&#1018727



Now I understand you might roam these forums looking for payback someday. Trust me it's not THAT serious. Now I'm gonna hit the gym...when I come back...


We're not gonna have this problem again right? You're not as scary as you've made yourself out to be riiiight? Education doesn't mean shit when you can't even use a bit of common sense eh? Now be a good little bunny and check out that Cubase thread. You might learn something.

[Stupid American Pig]

[Locus M]

I know we have a bunch of Sonar users here. So tell us what it is about Sonar that you love, and what features do you think it does better than other DAW's?

Well I do not love it but I fancy it pretty much for all its great synths (Pentagon I, Z3ta+, Dimension Pro, Groove Synth with lovely drum samples) and effects (various sonitus gear, Vintage channel, stereo tool, Boost 11, Perfect Space).

Apart from that, the amazing V-vocal technology, great real time stretching and pitchifting features (groove looping, groove player, audio-snap) and even greater off-line processing with Radius TS and PS algorithms. So far it is the only daw I own where I can bounce to audiotracks and then regret my tempo or key and change these with decent results.

On the downside I still think it is a bit clumsy when handling VSTi and related automation. For this my weapon of choice is Orion. But sonar is indeed THE daw for handling audio for me.

Another well known downside is too buggy releases: Instead of the principle of once-a-year-releases, they should wait until everything works. It is a PITA to download additional patches for months after you bought it.

Have a very hard time to understand why it is a underdog though, so I'll just leave that to the experts to explain. I am sure they'll be delighted to.

[whyterabbyt]

Nah son...I'll be the only adult giving out clues today.

empirical evidence suggests otherwise.

Clue #1...the next time you see a thread with a title you suspect infers to a logic fallacy...refuse to click on that bitch and keep it moving towards a thread more worthy of your "rational input".

That's not really a 'clue', is it now? Its more like a desparate plea, really.
let's try it this way; next time I see a title I suspect infers to a logic fallacy... I'll click on it, because it probably is a thread worthy of some rational input. Meanwhile, next time you open up your browser, just close it back down again. That'd be nice.

Clue #2...Find a mirror and ask yourself what sort of a jackass enters an "illogical" thread and chooses to argue with the "asshole" who has given a decent response to the initial question asked in this thread.

The guy in the mirror said 'a jackass like neverfall'. I'll have to believe him.

It's one thing to be an asshole...but who's leaving this discussion with shit on his face?

clearly yourself.

Clue # 3....

Any 'ol random ass Cubase v. Sonar thread from Cakewalk's forums.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1018 ... e&#1018727

Yeah, a pretty random thread. I dont think it proves what you think it does, though.

Now I understand you might roam these forums looking for payback someday. Trust me it's not THAT serious. Now I'm gonna hit the gym...when I come back...

...you'll still be as incapable of a consistent and rationale argument? And you'll still be wittering on about that 'initial' question, and judiuciously ignoring the rest, as though that somehow wins you an argument?

We're not gonna have this problem again right?

I think you're going to have it for the rest of your life. Oh, the humanity.

Education doesn't mean shit when you can't even use a bit of common sense eh?

Must be a shame when you don't have either, then.

[herodotus]

Let's not play stupid now. It's not as if Sonar hasn't played the role of Cubase's little bitch since Day 1 right?.....

Are you really an adult?

I mean, I have seen you write about what you do for a living, and I know that most such people are adults, but your behavior makes it kind of hard to believe.

[whyterabbyt]

for some reason it seems it's still treated as an after thought and an underdog by the music-making crowd. Why is that?

I guess it must be because everyone (absolutely everyone on the planet, ever) has to first prove its not an underdog, otherwise it clearly is.

Oh, and because engaging in trying to prove its not is admitting that it is.

And because the 64-bit version can't Rewire to a 32-bit application, since 64-bit Rewire doesnt exist.

And, finally, because it doesnt have features that every individual on the planet universally acknowledges as setting it apart from the rest.

And dont forget kids; If you dont answer the initial question, no matter how dumb it is, then anyone who asks it over and over again is teh winnar.

[lavoll]

are there any sales numbers to compare?

dont believe everything thats true