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[UncleAge]

maybe he'll get the rights reverted back to him... well, that'd be wishful but grateful thinking...m@

I'd like to see someone get it that would do it as a labor of love, like another small dev. Markus makes a great point about the market. And since that won't change for a while it might require a team of one or two really bright programmers that could weather the storm for a few years.

***Ok, this next part is a little crazy but...

It almost sets up a crazy idea for a group-buy in a way. Find enough users that would be willing to buy the rights to the software as a group. In essence becoming part owner of the company that would continue development of the software. Of course, I have no idea what the rights would cost for such a move but the new "company" comprised of Tracktion zealots could then decide on it's future (whatever that would mean). In theory it could work

[mcnelson]

It almost sets up a crazy idea for a group-buy in a way. Find enough users that would be willing to buy the rights to the software as a group. In essence becoming part owner of the company that would continue development of the software. Of course, I have no idea what the rights would cost for such a move but the new "company" comprised of Tracktion zealots could then decide on it's future (whatever that would mean). In theory it could work

Absolutely. I'll chip in a finski.

[christianmusicmaker]

***Ok, this next part is a little crazy but...

It almost sets up a crazy idea for a group-buy in a way. Find enough users that would be willing to buy the rights to the software as a group. In essence becoming part owner of the company that would continue development of the software. Of course, I have no idea what the rights would cost for such a move but the new "company" comprised of Tracktion zealots could then decide on it's future (whatever that would mean). In theory it could work

Interesting idea. However Mackie could ask a very large sum of money for it. The key thing of course is how much will people want to pay (per person)to "group buy" it from Mackie.

They could ask for £10,000, £100,000 or more for the rights to Dev and Market Tracktion.

It would be interesting to see how much Mackie want for it but I suspect Mackie would probably not be willing to sell unless they can get a significant amount of their original investment in Trackion back. That could really push the cost of buying the rights to Tracktion (which I think you are suggesting) to astronomical levels.

Users may find that a group buy like that (clever idea though IMO) may cost each person far more than simply moving on with another host.

I guess an email to a relevant person at Mackie would answer a few questions but I doubt they would even respond or take it seriously.

But if enough people (a very large number I would say) were interested *and* Mackie wanted to sell at a price the TGBC -Trackion Group Buy Consortium-:P could afford (could be a huge sum asked for) then maybe, just maybe...

But that is almost like getting all the planets to line up in a (almost) straight line...every 200 years or so IIRC

But hey UA, it is a clever idea. But it would need a huge amount of support, including support from some users with very deep pockets.

Even if all that did fall into place what about profit? Can Tracktion really make enough money in such a crowded market already? Many former Tracktion users (myself included) have already moved on. I think they are unlikely to now invest cash into buying the rights to Tracktion.

You could start a poll...that would give a rough idea of support pretty quickly...

[UncleAge]

But that is almost like getting all the planets to line up in a (almost) straight line...every 200 years or so IIRC

lol, so true. There are way too many variables. But if it were a good year for Mackie (maybe/mabe not) the loss on the sale would have made a good right off. I'll admit that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to placing a value on items in this market. However, if the continued development is a money pit for Mackie then they may be in the mood to talk. And the next edition would not have to called Tracktion

And even if the planets did align there would be one more *small glitch*. And that's finding a developer to continue development. It would have to be someone with not only a solid background like Urs H. but also someone or some people with great customer service skills (like Urs H.) as there are a lot of wounds to heal. But like I said, it was a crazy idea. I wonder what Fritz, or Jorgen or any of the other small devs would have done if given the chance to pick up where Jules left off. hmmm....

[lharless]

I wonder how Mackie is going to march into the digital future, knowing that they will have to, eventually, develop or at least market another recording and editing app? Do they believe that we will just magically trust them to support a new app, knowing their well documented history of abrupt product abandonment?

I believe that they need to address the bruise that was left on the loyal user base, in the process of abandoning Tracktion, before they take another step forward.

I feel that Greg Mackie needs to step up to the plate for the company on this one. For me, it's that bad. An explanation of the problem that kept them silent would be in order. That's all I need. Honesty.

Never buy anything from a man that's out of breath.

[UncleAge]

I wonder how Mackie is going to march into the digital future, knowing that they will have to, eventually, develop or at least market another recording and editing app? Do they believe that we will just magically trust them to support a new app, knowing their well documented history of abrupt product abandonment?

I believe that they need to address the bruise that was left on the loyal user base, in the process of abandoning Tracktion, before they take another step forward.

I feel that Greg Mackie needs to step up to the plate for the company on this one. For me, it's that bad. An explanation of the problem that kept them silent would be in order. That's all I need. Honesty.

Never buy anything from a man that's out of breath.

I agree. Very well said.

[pough]

In March NASDAQ delisted LT. LT's stock was suspended on March 03, 2009 and has not traded on NASDAQ since.

Didn't they ask to be delisted? I thought they'd hit a few roadblocks - the largest of which was a deal with a manufacturer in China that went south (no fault of LT) - and decided that becoming private again was the best way to hunker down and bully their way through to better days... Maybe I'm wrong about all that. It's been a while since I read the press release.

At any rate, they're definitely going through hard times and Tracktion seems to be in limbo. You know, it's possible they are trying to sell it, but prospective buyers are ending up here and being put off by our comments!

[UncleAge]

You know, it's possible they are trying to sell it, but prospective buyers are ending up here and being put off by our comments!

I would hope that Mackie and any other interested party would consider that a lot of the responses reflect a certain amount of passion. Whether they are full of doubt or not, they, for the most part do not show indifference. This can and should be interpreted as a plus. And even those, like myself, who are currently using other software to get the job done would still be interested in a stable Tracktion that had a future.

[tomg]

In March NASDAQ delisted LT. LT's stock was suspended on March 03, 2009 and has not traded on NASDAQ since.

Didn't they ask to be delisted? I thought they'd hit a few roadblocks - the largest of which was a deal with a manufacturer in China that went south (no fault of LT) - and decided that becoming private again was the best way to hunker down and bully their way through to better days... Maybe I'm wrong about all that. It's been a while since I read the press release.

At any rate, they're definitely going through hard times and Tracktion seems to be in limbo. You know, it's possible they are trying to sell it, but prospective buyers are ending up here and being put off by our comments!

I don't remember seeing anything but that doesn't mean that's not the way it happened. I'm sure if there is an interested party out there they probably already have an idea about what happened and our comments have no bearing on the matter.

[Graeme]

Like Graeme said, you really really have still a long way to go.

I don't want to hijack this thread into a political argument, but the USA has been isolated from the real world for a long time. Artificially low gas prices is just one example, diesel costs me a smidgen under $7 a gallon here. To hear people complain, when it rises to less than half that, really demonstrates just how lucky they are.

BTW, I was resident in Florida in the early '80's, when they added 15c to a gallon, taking the price to over a buck - you should have heard all the moaning that went on then . In real terms, it's no more expensive today than it was then - the same could not be said about Europe.

[tomg]

Like Graeme said, you really really have still a long way to go.

I don't want to hijack this thread into a political argument, but the USA has been isolated from the real world for a long time. Artificially low gas prices is just one example, diesel costs me a smidgen under $7 a gallon here.

Artificially raising gas prices and using the money for social engineering is a European idea that we are sadly adopting. You are right if we don't change we'll be where you are in no time.

[eduardo_b]

Like Graeme said, you really really have still a long way to go.

I don't want to hijack this thread into a political argument, but the USA has been isolated from the real world for a long time. Artificially low gas prices is just one example, diesel costs me a smidgen under $7 a gallon here.

Artificially raising gas prices and using the money for social engineering is a European idea that we are sadly adopting. You are right if we don't change we'll be where you are in no time.

It's not social engineering, it's creating economic stability and thus markets that are rational and predictable. Funny how both oil and car companies would prefer a stable $4 a gallon rather than fluctuating pricing that makes revenues unpredictable and planning all but impossible. Gas/diesel has been far too low in North America, encouraging over-consumption and contributing to both poor resource management and increasing climate issues. Regulated fuel prices is the inevitable consequence of decreasing supplies of inexpensive oil and significant worldwide social-environmental issues that cannot be ignored. Americans are, as typically is the case, their own worst enemy. Social engineering is the most trivial issue facing the country in the future.

[tomg]

Like Graeme said, you really really have still a long way to go.

I don't want to hijack this thread into a political argument, but the USA has been isolated from the real world for a long time. Artificially low gas prices is just one example, diesel costs me a smidgen under $7 a gallon here.

Artificially raising gas prices and using the money for social engineering is a European idea that we are sadly adopting. You are right if we don't change we'll be where you are in no time.

It's not social engineering, it's creating economic stability and thus markets that are rational and predictable. Funny how both oil and car companies would prefer a stable $4 a gallon rather than fluctuating pricing that makes revenues unpredictable and planning all but impossible. Gas/diesel has been far too low in North America, encouraging over-consumption and contributing to both poor resource management and increasing climate issues. Regulated fuel prices is the inevitable consequence of decreasing supplies of inexpensive oil and significant worldwide social-environmental issues that cannot be ignored. Americans are, as typically is the case, their own worst enemy. Social engineering is the most trivial issue facing the country in the future.

Right. If we create the same sort of economic stability Europe did, we'll be right there at 20% unemployment in no time and it will be a small price to pay for European style markets that are so obliviously more rational and predictable than their American counterparts.

[eduardo_b]

Right. If we create the same sort of economic stability Europe did, we'll be right there at 20% unemployment in no time and it will be a small price to pay for European style markets that are so obliviously more rational and predictable than their American counterparts.

Their markets are more predictable in terms of resource allocation and management. While American car companies fought against any increase in fuel economy, European and Asian auto companies designed and built better products that cost far less to operate. The results are obvious. The unemployment rate is not linked to stable pricing but unstable pricing.

[nuffink]

20% unemployment? Even the idiot countries like my own that followed the land of the cheap down the road to voodoonomic meltdown can't manage half of that.