Are there any factory patches for DIVA?

[Mogular]

You are right about the Arturia Jupiter factory sounds. They are different, at least some (e.g. the very first one No. 11). Some which got more or less the correct sound use differnet combinations of e.g. filter and envelope settings than on the patch sheets.

There is more work on recreating those presets than just typing in the values from the patch sheets...

The Arturia factory presets are bizarre for me - some of them aren't even presets, just saw waves with the filter wide open. I have made a pretty good attempt on the Jupiter 8V to nail the Neg Sync patch, though this really highlights how lacking the 8V's filter is particularly in the resonance department, also the envelopes at those really tight settings don't quite cut it either. It's close enough though to show that 8V is a pretty good attempt at the Jupiter (unlike all those people who say it sounds NOTHING like a jupiter )

I have got close to the synthmania presets on Diva but have been having some problems with the scaling too. It sounds pretty good but I haven't nailed it yet. It's in my preset bank if anyone wants to check it out (maybe try to improve it a bit). It's called jupiter patch 1.

[Urs]

Hey there, I have just now realised that some of you are setting parameters from patch sheets... we have not scaled the parameter ranges according to any specific synth. It would be raher impossible as e.g. the cutoff knob on one synth is scaled differently on another.

Instead we have an found a well balanced scale for each parameter I think. Wasn't doable for Resonance, but the cutoffs and modulation ranges are rather close from model to model in Diva.

There's however no way to recreate specific sounds without tweaking. The familiar interface does not replace experience with Diva's particular temperament.

While finetuning the upper end of the Sallen-Key 2, I realised that putting both oscillators at slightly different levels can have a massive effect on the beating sound whn the phases meet. So putting both fully up sounds nothing like putting both up on an old MS20 where the second osc is a quarter dB louder

[Mogular]

Thanks Urs. Yep its pretty apparent when you compare the patch sheets with the recordings at synthmania.com.
But after tweaking I have got a number of presets from the Juno patches FMR posted to sound pretty much identical.
I constantly hang my mouth in amazement at how far you have gone with making the emulations so authentic as to be nearly indistinguishable from the original. The sequence goes something like, set patch to original setting, listen to recording of said patch, tweak a little, listen a little, tweak a little more and then ... voila!!! there it is

[Urs]

Thanks Urs. Yep its pretty apparent when you compare the patch sheets with the recordings at synthmania.com.
But after tweaking I have got a number of presets from the Juno patches FMR posted to sound pretty much identical.
I constantly hang my mouth in amazement at how far you have gone with making the emulations so authentic as to be nearly indistinguishable from the original. The sequence goes something like, set patch to original setting, listen to recording of said patch, tweak a little, listen a little, tweak a little more and then ... voila!!! there it is

Thanks

I was actually a bit afraid that the control values were too far off for lots of patches. For instance, the DCO pulse width only goes from 1% to 50% whereas the DualVCO does 1% - 50% - 99%. We've had a hard time trying to work out a harmonic way to overcome this inconsistency. And we ultimately settled with "DCO PW is not same as DualVCO PW but still controlled by same slider". Matching things among different synths is tough - and sometimes impossible. In these instances one has to deviate from the direct translation and tweak

We also only ever evaluated the sound by live tweaking. I don't recall ever programming a patch from any of the synths that have patches. We just put the front panel in same state/sound, then tweak corresponding parameters to evaluate that the behavior is nearly identical. Glad to hear that it's possible to get close to those patches.

[Mogular]

At default size there is room for some numbering on the sliders to indicate values.
It would make sense to have say 0-50 on one PWM, and when you switch to another slider it shows 0-100 and the slider jumps down to reflect the old value.
I am sure you have been through all this though.
At this point I hadn't noticed the discrepancy- I probably just go back to tweaking when I change model, without really think why.
This synth was made for tweaking.
More so than just about any other virtual instrument I own.

[Alfa210]

A few patches there...

http://hotfile.com/dl/135543532/5d2a99d ... a.zip.html

[Mogular]

Ok, I am stuck now, just found this clip

How on earth does it get this snap?

[hakey]

Ok, I am stuck now, just found this clip

How on earth does it get this snap?

Perhaps try recording DIVA through speakers in a small untreated room via a crappy video camera mic?

[Mogular]

Ok, I am stuck now, just found this clip

How on earth does it get this snap?

Perhaps try recording DIVA through speakers in a small untreated room via a crappy video camera mic?

Nooo, Diva MUST have this snap if I am to get any where in this god forsaken life... Say it isn't so

[hakey]

Nooo!

What I was trying to say is it's difficult to get much of an idea of what's going on when the audio recording is so poor.

speakers + room noise + crappy camera mic = bleeughh! (why do people even bother making these vids?)

Besides, DIVA can get pretty snappy.

[Mogular]

yeah I know what you mean. I have just been having such a run of success with matching sounds in Diva that I started getting worried when I couldn't pull this one. You can pick up a fair amount from the vid tho once you start tweaking.
It just seems to have this enormous click on the start of the note.

I have got something like it by turning the attack and decay to zero and the sustain level to very low (about 25) on the amplitude envelope.

Then I start playing with the envelope on the filter with the cutoff pretty much at zero. I can get snappy but not THIS snappy

[Viktor [TUC]]

Those little cameras usually have a built in compressor to raise the volume of far away voices, so slap on a comp after Diva. She'll give you a slap you'll not forget so quickly.

[Ingonator]

You are right about the Arturia Jupiter factory sounds. They are different, at least some (e.g. the very first one No. 11). Some which got more or less the correct sound use differnet combinations of e.g. filter and envelope settings than on the patch sheets.

There is more work on recreating those presets than just typing in the values from the patch sheets...

The Arturia factory presets are bizarre for me - some of them aren't even presets, just saw waves with the filter wide open. I have made a pretty good attempt on the Jupiter 8V to nail the Neg Sync patch, though this really highlights how lacking the 8V's filter is particularly in the resonance department, also the envelopes at those really tight settings don't quite cut it either. It's close enough though to show that 8V is a pretty good attempt at the Jupiter (unlike all those people who say it sounds NOTHING like a jupiter )

I have got close to the synthmania presets on Diva but have been having some problems with the scaling too. It sounds pretty good but I haven't nailed it yet. It's in my preset bank if anyone wants to check it out (maybe try to improve it a bit). It's called jupiter patch 1.

Hi,

scaling problems for the Minimoog are mostly for the envelopes. I am currently working on a conversion table + diagram in Microsoft Excel. For this i compare samples of corresponding Arturia Minimoog settings (which seem to have the right scale) with Diva settings that get the same result. I checked one preset which i calibrated this way with a audio demo and it looks OK.
I am using the Arturia emulation to enter patch sheets for 1:1 comparison and corrections and NOT use the included factory sounds (at least so far...).

The sequence goes something like, set patch to original setting, listen to recording of said patch, tweak a little, listen a little, tweak a little more and then ... voila!!! there it is

The first presets i did the same way but i try to find a more precise and/or easier way if possible.


Ingo

[fmr]

Thanks Urs. Yep its pretty apparent when you compare the patch sheets with the recordings at synthmania.com.
But after tweaking I have got a number of presets from the Juno patches FMR posted to sound pretty much identical.
I constantly hang my mouth in amazement at how far you have gone with making the emulations so authentic as to be nearly indistinguishable from the original. The sequence goes something like, set patch to original setting, listen to recording of said patch, tweak a little, listen a little, tweak a little more and then ... voila!!! there it is

yes, sometimes the values give a completely different sound. What I find most difficult is matching the values of the LFOs. They seem to behave completely different from the Juno-60 LFO. If someone could enlighten me about the best way to match the DIVA LFO to match the Juno behave (and probably the Jupiters behave too), I would appreciate.
I have the Juno Factory bank almost complete, and am now listening to sound examples to compare.

[Master Ovnun]

Some patches for Diva. A few are recreations of (Roland) hardware, that I own; others are just a result of 'diving into Diva' and having fun.

http://www.box.com/s/mvflvge0mg6tjftlyv0q