MuLab & MUX: What's Next

[EvilDragon]

If you have to double click to lay down a note, then this becomes twice the amount of work to lay down your notes. I would prefer the option of single click to lay down a note/ double click to delete a note and right click/drag to marquee select. Currently in Mulab, you have to mouse over the end of the note to get the pen icon before you can do a double click delete, which is tedious, especially on longer length notes (whole notes, half notes etc). Would be quicker to be able to double click anywhere on the note to delete.

What makes MuLab's Pianoroll a fast composing tool for me (my main DAW is Reaper) is the right click drag function which allows me to move around quite rapidly. I use the same system in Reaper which has a strange conflict with Mq select and single click note input: can't hear the note at the same time.
So, even Reaper, with all the custom setups, can't manage it all. Not an easy implementation in order to make everyone happy.
Still on demo, but getting used to it....
It's simplicity is attractive for relaxing work.

Interesting. I personally find MuLAB's piano roll way too slow compared to my Reaper config... But Jo is already aware of that and that said, I humbly exit this thread.

[MuTools]

1. Auto scroll not tied to mouse scroll

In the next version Auto Scroll has improved a lot! It's never switched off automatically anymore, even not while scrolling manually, while it stays functional whenever relevant. Next test version coming one of the days.

[MuTools]

2. Create an automation sub track for any parameter by directly right clicking on the parameter and having the option available on the right click menu. This makes for easier workflow.

It's already there, even in an easier way (imho): Simply drag-drop a parameter on the [+] track button creates a new automation track for that parameter!

Cfr this video at 48" :
(it's an older video but the principle still is the same)

[Breeze]

I honestly haven't read this entire thread, but looking at the modules in MUX I see there's no random modulation of any kind (ie.:- sample and hold read from random noise/numbers + variable lag). S/H time could be syncable too; you could also sync the S/H sample time to another S/H module...

That could do much to add a degree of unpredictability to this deterministic universe.

[MuTools]

I honestly haven't read this entire thread, but looking at the modules in MUX I see there's no random modulation of any kind

Yes there is: See the Wobble Generator.

(ie.:- sample and hold read from random noise/numbers + variable lag). S/H time could be syncable too;

A S&H modulation module is planned.

[Breeze]

Yes there is: See the Wobble Generator.

Ahhh! That works very well. If I may suggest: an additional % Variation control controlling the degree of variation from Min.Freq. to Max.Freq. would make it easier to set a base speed and then introduce variability as the % Variation is increased. 100% would be equivalent to the current setup. Useful for Meta-Parameters too.

A S&H modulation module is planned.

Great! Thanks!

[Breeze]

An Update on the Wobbler: I actually thought I could do what I described above by setting both frequencies to one Meta-Parameter and then use a second Meta-Parameter to control the Max.Freq. knob only. However it seems that even if Min = Max the frequency is not constant... is this by design?

[MuTools]

An Update on the Wobbler: I actually thought I could do what I described above by setting both frequencies to one Meta-Parameter and then use a second Meta-Parameter to control the Max.Freq. knob only. However it seems that even if Min = Max the frequency is not constant... is this by design?

I just double-checked both practically as on code-level but don't hear/see anything wrong. When i set min & max freq to same value the wobble freq sounds rythmically stable to me. Note that the amplitude is always random so could it be that that might have confused your impression?

[Breeze]

I just double-checked both practically as on code-level but don't hear/see anything wrong. When i set min & max freq to same value the wobble freq sounds rythmically stable to me. Note that the amplitude is always random so could it be that that might have confused your impression?

So you're actually randomizing two parameters at the same time... I was applying this to stereo panning, so you can understand why it was hard to interpret!

It would be very useful to me be able to limit the randomization to one parameter at a time. However, if you exposed additional controls over the amplitude randomization in this module, it would offer one OR two-dimensional randomization.

[MuTools]

However, if you exposed additional controls over the amplitude randomization in this module, it would offer one OR two-dimensional randomization.

I don't think that's necessary as you already have control over the modulation amplitude, via a Modulation Mapper and/or via the connection cable properties (right-click or double-click a cable). The first method gives you the extra advantage that the Modulation Mapper parameters are automatable/modulatable too.

[Breeze]

However, if you exposed additional controls over the amplitude randomization in this module, it would offer one OR two-dimensional randomization.

I don't think that's necessary as you already have control over the modulation amplitude, via a Modulation Mapper and/or via the connection cable properties (right-click or double-click a cable). The first method gives you the extra advantage that the Modulation Mapper parameters are automatable/modulatable too.

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand: how do I keep the amplitude of the Wobbler modulation constant while only letting Wobbler vary the frequency? My understanding from your previous explanation is that the Wobbler not only randomly varies frequency between Min and Max, but also randomizes volume, although it's not clear by how much or how often (are both random?). AFAICT, there is no control over this volume randomization other than to reduce the total amount of the Wobble modulation, so no way to turn only the randomization off and keep the volume of the modulating wave constant.

My understanding is that if I make both Min and Max frequencies the same and were to turn off the amplitude randomization (if I could), I would have a simple Sine modulator at the common Min and Max frequency. Is this incorrect?

[MuTools]

I misunderstood, sorry. I now see what you mean, but that's not yet possible with the current version. Next version has an extended Wobble Modulator which will give you more control. Next MuLab test version will be available one of the days, watch this forum. It will also contain some other nice improvements.

[Breeze]

Cool! Looking forward to the evolution!

[MuTools]

See http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 83#5552483

[Breeze]

See http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 83#5552483

Just took a look: the new Wobble has a Curve, for changing waveshape (interesting!) and switch called "Alt Offset". What does it do? It's still modulating in two dimensions... guess I'll have to wait for the S/H+...

And just to remain in the spirit of this thread, I'd like to see an option to organize external VST plugins and softsynths by manufacturer, which must be code-readable since other hosts can do this. I have an obscene amount of plugins (including de-shelled Waves) and it's hard to find what I need quickly. I realize this isn't always perfect and that you can group your own, but it would help to have 90% of the work done automatically. The "group your own" method often suffers from having to be repeated every time there's an upgrade or re-install. I'm also very meticulous in organizing my plugins in manufacturer name-labled folders; maybe an option to respect that might work too... Thanks for considering!