mux for mac please?

[bibz1st]

Does anyone know what his own business was that he mentioned ?

[MuTools]

Let me try to moderate a bit here:

I indeed asked somewhere at the start of this topic to let me know if anyone had suggestions about boosting the MuTools business so to get more resources so to less having to doubt about investing in a new Mac system so to be able to do MUX for Mac = original topic. solipsvs did so, he posted interesting suggestions and launched a good initiative about making popular cover projects & vids 100% made by MuLab. Thx for that solipsvs.

At the other hand: solipsvs you're posts sometimes seem to include a rather harsh and aggressive tone, which is not appreciated nor constructive, it does not help in talking about a topic. Please use a more mild tone on this forum and stay openminded for other views. Thx.

Lets all chill down and be wise & gentle. We're on the same track. Hope you guys can forgive eachother about possible bad first impressions. Lets be constructive & creative.

Thx All

NB: I'll keep on moderating this topic to get it back in balance. Off topic sentences or insulting vibes will be removed.

[Zexila]

Developing for OS X means getting new set of headaches year after a year as new OS versions are coming out and yet others get abandoned, than try to support everyone on whatever versions they are, it's a challenge, where to even start and etc, it's not just getting a Mac and working a little, it's disaster even getting a Mac on which you can run few versions of OS's as you already know, plus with whatever new "exciting" things Apple will come up yet again, so again, just another thing that is overlooked easily.

[Zexila]

Sorry Jo

[MuTools]

I'll continue to filter/remove posts until everyone chilled out. If that would take too long i'll close the topic.

[MuTools]

no its a cover version so no permission needed.

I know several lawyers who own yachts based on the proceeds of your premise. If you perform a copyrighted work that you, yourself, did not create, you are liable for any and all proceeds the holder might have lost due to your "version." - For the most part, individuals with few assets aren't worth the time or expense of collection, and established companies are sent cease and desist letters daily for these types of infractions, and while you might think you're above the law, or it doesn't count because "other people are doing it" or "I didn't know it was wrong" - It's far more likely for copyright holders to make examples out of people who say things like "no permission needed."

After surfing the net on this "cover song" topic, i'm afraid hueynym is right. You have to be careful with publishing cover songs.

[solipsvs]

why are there hundreds available on youtube? excuse after excuse i tell ya.

go start a kickstart campain for your new mac. or did you miss that idea? how easy would that be? then you wont have much of an excuse

[solipsvs]

Does anyone know what his own business was that he mentioned ?

im right here. you thought i ran off because you guys tried to slap me down as if i didnt know what i was saying?

promotion is promotion.

[solipsvs]

Developing for OS X means getting new set of headaches year after a year as new OS versions are coming out and yet others get abandoned, than try to support everyone on whatever versions they are, it's a challenge, where to even start and etc, it's not just getting a Mac and working a little, it's disaster even getting a Mac on which you can run few versions of OS's as you already know, plus with whatever new "exciting" things Apple will come up yet again, so again, just another thing that is overlooked easily.

THIS is the price of doing business. if OTHER products put up with it (with small RnD teams)...

[MuTools]

why are there hundreds available on youtube?

Rethoric question: Why are so many innocent people being killed each day?
The point: It's not because something happens that it means that it is ok/legal.
If you want to argue about the legability of publishing cover songs, please argue with the law texts that give permission to publish cover songs for free.

excuse after excuse i tell ya

... then you wont have much of an excuse

Euh, an excuse for what?

[MuTools]

go start a kickstart campain for your new mac. or did you miss that idea?

Thanks for the idea. Indeed didn't think of that yet, no experience with KS at all, only vaguely heard about it on the news sometimes. Will have a further look at it.

[bibz1st]

Does anyone know what his own business was that he mentioned ?

im right here. you thought i ran off because you guys tried to slap me down as if i didnt know what i was saying?

promotion is promotion.

No, it was a serious question

[Zexila]

Developing for OS X means getting new set of headaches year after a year as new OS versions are coming out and yet others get abandoned, than try to support everyone on whatever versions they are, it's a challenge, where to even start and etc, it's not just getting a Mac and working a little, it's disaster even getting a Mac on which you can run few versions of OS's as you already know, plus with whatever new "exciting" things Apple will come up yet again, so again, just another thing that is overlooked easily.

THIS is the price of doing business. if OTHER products put up with it (with small RnD teams)...

THAT is just yet another thing that is easily overlooked and yet more to come...

Are you really sure OS X version of MUX is going to worth that much overall?

To you it does obviously, you started this thread and got deeply into it, but does it really makes huge difference or there's going to be yet another "most underrated synth" suggestion and even barely mentioned one now working on OS X?

We are not talking here about porting MuLab, which is without a doubt excellent move, but modular environment that so little people actually use even now on Windows and on KVR, let me remind you that Windows is widely/commonly used and KVR is just small percent of geeky spenders that doesn't see warez as a legit way, even here many aren't that geeky about it and want plug&play with nice GUI.

Outside KVR where everything isn't about plugins, where people don't have huge threads about upcoming tools, extensive feature comparisons and interaction with developers, things go little different, there's that potential you are talking about, but they just use what's hot and there, as I said, what they heard their idols are using, that's enough for them.

Many of your actions are mostly viable in theory and as overall business 101, but some things are easily overlooked and observations of the market is where you fail short, your market is pretty much unstable and even people using some tools extensively have hard time paying for it, that's why there are crazy discounts and spam, because better than nothing.

Let's think like newb for a moment and none the less one that have Mac with GarageBand and probably Logic in mind as step up, does that guy cares about getting into modular, yeah, it's task pitching him MuLab over Logic, but yet MUX instead of Reaktor or just any plug&play solution, so few would dismiss everything and go modular, so few, but here we are, like it's most important and profitable decision right now...

I think it's good idea to do OS X version, but without hurry and wearing rainbow glasses, wherever time let's and Jo feel like doing, it's not easy and even when it's done it's not that profitable, it's barely mentioned most underrated thing, not even important in rejects, that's not big promise and it's really question how good will cope with rest of Mac modular enthusiasts too.

Also Image Line that you took as business model example have all the confirmations in the world and tons of request's to do FL Mac native and yet it's not here despite of everything, despite people running Windows on Mac's because of it, despite tons of them making all more than valid reasons why that is excellent idea, despite my dog knowing it, still nothing, if somebody can and have interest&numbers working for them, it's IL with FL, sooo.....

And one more thing, this thread would be somewhere on 3rd page and 1 page long right now if you just took Jo's sincere answer as his reasoning behind his decision, not excuse or lack of ambitions, many would just say "Already requested, working on it, coming soon" and get over with it, but there's a guy that told how it is and gave you human interaction instead of looking at you as customer, so now let's ride that horse, he's good for it.

[Zexila]

Jo heads up, just sent you PM on Facebook, didn't wanted to expose idea publicly and there isn't option to send you PM here

[solipsvs]

go start a kickstart campain for your new mac. or did you miss that idea?

Thanks for the idea. Indeed didn't think of that yet, no experience with KS at all, only vaguely heard about it on the news sometimes. Will have a further look at it.

theres also 'go fund me' which may be more appropriate for this sort of thing.