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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:12 pm

chk071 wrote:
Numanoid wrote: So the year ending 2014 they had total income of about 80 million SEK, or just below $10 million US dollar, with a 10% surplus.
Turnover =/ income. The income, or rather revenue is also mentioned in the statistic.

I was thinking in Norwegian/Swedish language, and didn't quite manage to translate correctly

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:14 pm

Sailor16 wrote:Yes, from this we can clearly see that for the year 2014 they made 6144000 SEK after taxes, salaries, etcetera. Which in today's conversion rates would equal 730073 US dollars or 651485 Euros. In a sentence: Yes, they make profits and business is quite good.

So there should be no problem for them to cut the price of upgrading

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:19 pm

Numanoid wrote:
chk071 wrote:
Numanoid wrote: So the year ending 2014 they had total income of about 80 million SEK, or just below $10 million US dollar, with a 10% surplus.
Turnover =/ income. The income, or rather revenue is also mentioned in the statistic.
I was thinking in Norwegian/Swedish language, and didn't quite manage to translate correctly

Google translation came up with some misleading translations too.

But i guess that's what it means. Turnover = sales volume, net income = revenue.

Well, no idea about the latest figure, but i really feel like this is once again making it worse than it is. I dunno what it is about Reason or FL Studio that people hate so much about it, that they feel the need to predict word downfall every time there's news about it. I prefer VST, and VST hosts too, i looked into Reason 7 when i was able to buy it for cheap here on the market place, found out that it doesn't quite give me what i need, and i'm too addicted to VST's, so i parted with it again. But i wouldn't consider predicting bad sales, bad business, or that RE's aren't going well because of it. Especially if i have no idea what the actual figures say. And every time someone has to dig for the old links to the known facts about PH's business to calm the trolls down. Weird weird.

Sailor16 · Post by **Sailor16** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:20 pm

Numanoid wrote:BTW Did anybody miss a sale at Reason, it just came on with up to 70% off Rack Extentions and Refills

Time to get some Rack Extensions then! Any suggestions for "must-haves"?

I only have these right now in Reason 7:

- Pulsar Dual LFO
- Softtube Saturation Knob
- Audiomatic Retro Transformer
- PX7 FM Synthesizer

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:47 pm

Sailor16 wrote:
Numanoid wrote:BTW Did anybody miss a sale at Reason, it just came on with up to 70% off Rack Extentions and Refills

Time to get some Rack Extensions then! Any suggestions for "must-haves"?

I only have these right now in Reason 7:

- Pulsar Dual LFO
- Softtube Saturation Knob
- Audiomatic Retro Transformer
- PX7 FM Synthesizer

1. Synapse Audio Antidote (!!!)
2. Blamsoft Zero
3. Propellerhead Parsec

imho.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:47 pm

Numanoid wrote:
eXode wrote:You can see the official figures up to 2014 here (since you love to speculate anyway):
http://www.allabolag.se/5565462206/Prop ... oftware_AB
Excellent source, thanks for sharing

So the year ending 2014 they had turnover of about 80 million SEK, or just below $10 million US dollar, with a 10% surplus.

So a pretty good turn around from 2012, when they had a deficit of 25%

But they only do half the business of Clavia, wow didn't realize how big they are:

http://www.allabolag.se/5562463769/Clav ... ruments_AB

Must be hard running a company in Sweden - as soon as you say 'Hey we need to make more SEKS', everyone just wants to get nekkid

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:21 pm

kiezum wrote:
machinesworking wrote: Even on that line Reason is traditionally $129 to upgrade compared to roughly $200 for most DAWs (including Logic). Not a small price but unless you're making $10 an hour not that much.
Cubase is 99 euro for 7 to 8. And 49 euro for 8 tot 8.5.

Ableton is little bit more, but you get a lot of new features.

Ummm Ableton is by far my most expensive DAW upgrade, once you get Studio you're looking at around $200-290 per upgrade depending on sales.
Again, in the bigger picture it's not much. Keeping all my plug ins up to date is a far more expensive habit than a once every two years or so upgrade of a DAW... In the case of Ableton 9 took over 3 years.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:33 pm

aMUSEd wrote:Must be hard running a company in Sweden - as soon as you say 'Hey we need to make more SEKS', everyone just wants to get nekkid

No wonder, trust me, there is a lot of dynamo humms over there

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:24 am

Keeping up with the latest upgrade is indeed expensive. Sometimes there are huge benefits: better GUI, improved rendering/sound engine, taking advantage of latest tech, etc. Many times those same benefits come with a lot less bang for the investment required: so-so GUI upgrades, rebuilt engine that sounds the same, new buttons! What is really bad is when outstanding issues are not addressed unless you pay for it, or worse yet...don't get addressed at all in the upgrade.

For each of us it is a pick and choose to determine what works for us. I forget the upgrade paths I chose and paid for with Reason. But I know, even though I have the latest, I really haven't used it much since v7. V8 was a good idea that just wasn't executed. Ultimately it felt like I was paying for the same old thing. It appears to be the same with v9.

I will likely upgrade hoping that when the inspiration to play with it again comes around again I will find something new to enjoy with it.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:39 am

This will be my first upgrade. And clearly it will be a while before another one

If they ever get the beta to me I can determine the little workflow things that they have/have not improved on

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat May 21, 2016 6:26 am

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DJBuddhaBear · Post by **DJBuddhaBear** » Sat May 21, 2016 7:10 am

Theo I agree with much of what you are saying here. I have used Reason since Version 3 on Mac OS 9. I still use it today for much of my composing and creating. It is not quite there yet as a full replacement DAW but it gets closer with every iteration.

I was disappointed personally with the Studio One v2 to v3 upgrade including no viable options for Artist to Professional. I still haven't been able to justify spending $80.00 just to add VST support.

I use Live but its workflow is just not how I work so I doubt I will pay, what is usually a quite high amount, for the next upgrade.

The other main DAW I use is FL Studio, and I just like the piano roll and workflow there so much. I rewire Reason into it often.

Everybody has their favorite and apparently many have the ones they love to 'hate' on. I may not immediately upgrade to V9 but there is enough to warrant it soon.

stroker_ace · Post by **stroker_ace** » Sat May 21, 2016 8:01 am

Sailor16 wrote:
Numanoid wrote:BTW Did anybody miss a sale at Reason, it just came on with up to 70% off Rack Extentions and Refills

Time to get some Rack Extensions then! Any suggestions for "must-haves"?

I only have these right now in Reason 7:

- Pulsar Dual LFO
- Softtube Saturation Knob
- Audiomatic Retro Transformer
- PX7 FM Synthesizer

The Jiggery-Pokery Bucket Brigade Bundle is an absolute no-brainer at €29.00.

I actually think it's a mistake.

It consists of the Chenille Chorus Ensemble (currently on sale for €25, down from €49), the Steerpike BBD Delay Ensemble (currently on sale for €19, down from €39), and the Titus BBD Delay Line (currently on sale for €9, down from €19).

Yet the bundle technically isn't on sale, as there's not an original price with a line through it and the sale price next to it. Weird, but I'm not complaining.

If you have any interest in another delay and/or chorus for your Reason rack, you should jump on it before they fix it. I wasn't even that interested in the delay, but for €4 more, it would have been incredibly stupid not to get the bundle.

kae · Post by **kae** » Sat May 21, 2016 8:05 am

This...

TheoM wrote:If i had a caveat, it would be only one.. props seems to do some amazing features but only half way.

and this...

TheoM wrote:it's rock stable, i mean the thing never crashes, and it's so FUN to COMPOSE with. It stimulates creativity IMO.

Sometimes I get damn frustrated because they've implemented a cool feature/device, but left out just that tiny detail that would make it so much better/useful.
But even if things often takes more time and is a bit more tedious to do in Reason than other DAWs, where I can just pull up a plugin that does the job, it's usually more fun to play and experiment in Reason. I guess the road is more important than the destination for me.

I've played a bit with the new Player devices in the beta now. And again.. they're really fun. I may have to reconsider my decision to not buy this update. Don't know if I'll ever need Pitch edit though.

stroker_ace · Post by **stroker_ace** » Sat May 21, 2016 10:11 am

machinesworking wrote:once you get Studio you're looking at around $200-290 per upgrade depending on sales.

If you mean Studio One, that's not true at all. The everyday price of the "Studio One Pro V1 or V2 to V3" upgrade is $149.95 at JRRshop.com.

I got mine there for $90 on sale, and I paid under $200 for Studio One Pro V2.6.

Reason 9 officially announced!