NEW CUBASE SX 3 SIMPLY MINDBLOWING !!!!

[visa tapani]

A week later, all major bugs are fixed, and we have a solid product just like SX 2.2.

LOL!

You must be kidding... otherwise I'd find this rather entertaining.

Just give it a f**king break. The large majority of Cubase (SX 2) users can set the program to be rock solid. From reading your 'Cubase SX issues' -thread I really got the impression that you just aren't ready to give the proper effort of setting it up. (Of course one could argue that a sequencer shouldn't need 'setting up' but that's an other issue.)

Also, I'd like to point out: "Logic works with my computer so there can't be anything wrong with my system" - you really don't see the faulty logic in this statement, do you?

Anyway, that LOL is unjustified. You seem to have more problems with SX 2.2 than most do, that's all.

[Goa Head]

A week later, all major bugs are fixed, and we have a solid product just like SX 2.2.

LOL!

You must be kidding... otherwise I'd find this rather entertaining.

No, I'm not kidding. If your so god damn pissed about cubase not working for you, why are you wasting your time bitching about it and find some other sequencer to use.

[topaz]

maybe, just maybe he wants to see SX improved.

[quote="Sascha FranckNo, I'm not kidding. If your so god damn pissed about cubase not working for you, why are you wasting your time bitching about it and find some other sequencer to use.

[griels]

The large majority of Cubase (SX 2) users can set the program to be rock solid.

This is certainly my experience.

From reading your 'Cubase SX issues' -thread I really got the impression that you just aren't ready to give the proper effort of setting it up. (Of course one could argue that a sequencer shouldn't need 'setting up' but that's an other issue.)

Not having read the whole of SF's difficulties with SX, I still doubt the truth of this. Knowing he does audio recording work for a living, I imagine he pushes it further than most. Although, I have often had the computer pegged at 90% CPU use (until my motherboard melted).

I feel SF's pain about Logic, his sequencer of choice, going Mac-only. If he does moan about SX, it's only because of the high standards he's used to. On the other hand, there are plenty of tricks which can be used to get SX2 close to Logic-like workflow speeds, at least for an experienced user. Anyway, we'll soon see how the UI improvements rumoured for SX3 turn out.

[Goa Head]

If that where the case, topaz. He wouldn't have done a "LOL!", or said it was "entertaining". If you want something fixed, you need to be proactive. Whinning, and making smart ass comments gets you no where. Therefor, I hope you see you missed the point topaz.

Cheers.

[topaz]

not at all, Sascha is SPOT ON.

if you knew about the history of steinberg you would know they often break more than they fix
or remove feautures with no warning wotsoever.

so far everything SF has asked for or suggested in SX is only for the benefit, maybe he was LOL about incidents like a build of vst that had the SAVE BOX GREYED OUT, helllllo.

or the one that a user sussed out by moving files about made things work.

Therefor, I hope you see you missed the point topaz.

Cheers.

[DevonB]

The large majority of Cubase (SX 2) users can set the program to be rock solid.

This is certainly my experience.

Ditto here. SX 1.05, 1.06, and SX 2.0.1, and 2.2.0 have all been rock solid on my system, aside from the occasional beta plugin crashing my system.

Devon

[Goa Head]

Look at page 3...

I've been using Steinberg products for a long time now. Professionally, and at home purposes. I know how they act, and how these updates/upgrades work.

When someone mentions 50 times (exhageration) that new bugs will be introduced, yeah, we know! It's new software, that is what happens! The outcome is a solid product though, and that is what matters, to me atleast. Do you think the new Sonar 4 is gonna come completely bug free, too? How bout logic 6? It's still a complete mess. Point is they work, on a day to day basis. People make money off these programs. There is no reason to complain about something like this when there are other people other getting something productive done. It's a waste of time, and people should know that by now.

To say that what i just said was 'entertaining', and laughing at it hence the "LOL". I think it's a bit rude.

Just looking for reasons to bitch... I'm done.

[seamoss]

since sx and windows xp


cubase has been stable as hell.


period ( . )

[topaz]

then you would remember the problems I mentioned.

and actually the problem is not so much bugs but missing, removed features.

we have a right to complain about that no ?

Look at page 3...
I've been using Steinberg products for a long time now. Professionally, and at home purposes. I know how they act, and how these updates/upgrades work.
.

[Sascha Franck]

To GoaHead, visa tapani and whomever:
SX is running fairly stable on three (different) machines over here. Had to sort out some things, but in the end it worked - and c'mon, that "emulated" MIDI driver issue is as lame as it could get! How in the world should a net-less user find out about it? Needed to erase the responsible file (ignoreportfilter) on 2 out of three machines...

Still, there's been some crashes as well. I had all three machines (and some OSX G5 as well) returning to the desktop (or whatever you loaded previously) without any further notice, comment or whatever.
As said, on three different machines that is.
And hell yes, Logic crashes as well and as often.

But then, you won't be able to tell me that the Steinbergers REALLY care about product maintainance.
I HAVE been using Cubase since it came out (V1 on Atari that was) until 3.6/PC and if you ever followed the Cubase history just briefly you may as well know that all their sub-releases contained as much bugs as the previous one - sometimes adressing more serious issues, sometimes adressing something unworthy while making the complete program behave flaky.
This is something that never happened to me with Logic. Yes, I allready said so, it's crashing as well, and there's been a time when I simply got mad about an initial release.
But then, each and every subrelease made things better - not so with Cubase (proveable in case you remember the original 3.6 release which was not useable at all for 100% of their users).

So, my originally made point is that Steinberg should finally take their users serious and a) fix bugs before a new version is coming out, b) in case that is accomplished (it more or less is), get some things right.
If I understand correctly, there's been things taken out of SX 2 that have been there in SX 1 (such as an easier way to get to the audio mixer channel of a given VSTi or such as the rather bloated and silly method of organizing screensets - err... window layouts that is).

Further, instead of blowing up the program even more than it allready is, they should FINALLY care about streamlining some processes related to workflow.
Ever since they made the move to the PC/Mac realm, TONS of features have been added. No, that's not a bad thing at all - but they should care about the way one would use those features as well - they just didn't.
And again, that's a thing Emagic is WAY superior at.
Yes, they are adding features a LOT later, but in EACH and EVERY sub or major release they DID take care about things such as workflow and ergonomics.
These to me are extremely important and certainly the one major reason why I won't work with Cubase anymore.
I don't give a f**king damn about proper multitimbral/multiout VSTi implementation in case it just takes me as long as to setup everything manually (that's what you need to do in Logic), just to bring me to the appropriate mixer channel.
See, that's the major difference between Cubase and Logic: In Logic, once you did your setup, things will just work the way YOU want it. In Cubase, certain things will never work the way you'd like them to work - not because of some technical lack but because of the way things are implemented.
A few examples:
- In Logic I can set up my mixer like I want. There IS one mixer following my arrange order, but there's still one that I can configure as freely as I want.
And it takes exactly one click in the arrange to take me to a VSTis audio channel (in case you're interested, I have some screenshots done allready).
- Linked editors: Why in the world has that to be a global setting in SX? In Logic I click the link button inside an editor and that was it. I can happily use linked and non-linked editors side by side.
- Tool handling. Logic has an option for an alternative tool (Windows: Right mouse button, Mac: Option key). Once you ever get used to this, you won't like to miss it again.

Then, in the end, almost everything you do in Cubase (namely in SX) is wasting up a whole lot more real screen estate than the equivalent action would use up in Logic. Again, this is somewhat proveable.

Bottomline: Even if there's not much bugs anymore, they could (no, make that a "should) finally fuckin care about user friendlyness.
Cubase once has been known as the most intuitive program out there (and that statement might've been correct even), while Logic was known to be "overly complicated". These days it's exactly vice versa, there's nothing streamlined or whatever.

And, please don't get me wrong, I am the very first who'd LOVE things to be any different, as it might save me an enormous amount of money that I will have to spend for a G5.

[allemaniac]

if you understand german:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/ichwartot/sx3.jpg

freeze function now includes insert effects and the freezed track can be removed out of memory.

and some more things not worth telling.

[SJ_Digriz]

The issues are pretty simple really. No one is exactly wrong. The difference in your experience with SX is based on how you use it. For the same reason some people use FL, or Traction or for god knows what reason A Live.

I am a LONG time Cubase user/supporter and have known Sascha from these boards and chat sessions for quite awhile. Sascha is dead right about his frustrations with SX. There are numerous things that Logic does better and Cubase could easily fix. I never could use Logic properly and dropped it in favor of Cubase back in the late Cubase 3.7 days. I occassionaly played with Logic over that time and still prefer Cubase. That doesn't mean I am blind to the companies short comings. Only by voicing our displeasure can we have a hope of getting Steinberg to alter their approach to this process.

THE RELEASES ARE COMING CLOSER TOGETHER. The number of new features is diminishing. The number of bugs they should have been fixed previously but are supposed to be fixed in the new paid upgrad version is increasing. The number of those bugs that are actually fixed in the new version remains low.

So here are some historical bits and pieces:

Getting VST 5 to 5.1 through the public beta program was a nightmare, but it made 5.1 the best running version of Cubase ever that includes the current SX2 or Nuendo. 5.0 as released was a joke. About 1.5 years got it stable and very solid.

VST 5.1 -> SX1: Over 130 features were broken. Some of them were rediculous in nature (why would you want to save a project anyhow), some of them so obscure that only a power user who specifically uses a hidden multi-step process would find. Over 20 features that used to be in 5.1 disappeared completely. Several of the major advertised enhancements never worked under SX1 EVER. However, about 1 year after the release there was a patch that made SX1 stable and functional to use as an environment. And SX1 is still a very usable environment to write and work in.

SX1 -> SX2: Same shit new number. Again a long list of new features, some of which to this day don't work or work in ways that make them damn near useless. A long list of broken interface issues, bad track routing, easily corruptable project files...etc. However, with the release of 2.2 and the 35 beta, the program is stable and usable for the most part. But, there are still promised features that have not been properly implemented (freeze and group routing for example).

Don't get me started on remote controller support or event/clip/sample handling and other things like that which persist in being screwed up release after release.

All the complaining aside. Cubase/Nuendo are still tremendous programs for musical creation. VST has made our available creative devices unbelievable. There is absolutely no reason to move to SX3 if SX2 suits you or if one of the other environments now suits you better. I'll pay my upgrade fee and grumpily deal with whatever new issues arrise and a couple months from now will be back to being greatful for the awesome tools I have to work with in my project studio.

On the plus side, all the new hosts are really putting the pressure on Steiny to deliver. I believe it will have a long term positive effect on their business practices.

[Glooper]

please edit and remove that picture..

It makes this thread unreadable...

[kuniklo]

if you understand german:

freeze function now includes insert effects and the freezed track can be removed out of memory.

and some more things not worth telling.

Wow. If they implement this stuff well this is going to be killer.