KVR Audio

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:18 am

plexuss wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:04 pm I am raising the issue of a wider problem in the plugin world, using this product as the topic-starter.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:25 am

plexuss wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:40 pm the last thing I want is to hear from you, bmaniac spreading YOUR garbage all over the forums as well.

What are you talking about? He is clearly one of the most knowledgeable, on-topic posters - you on the other hand talk bollocks all day long. And that's a fact by the way, not an opinion.

Liero · Post by **Liero** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:49 am

plexuss not a single one of your posts added anything of value to this thread about a very interesting product. Go touch grass or something.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:37 am

plexuss wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:04 pm Some of you aren either not reading my posts…

You obviously don‘t read the posts clearly falsifying your claim, or insist on being right (and fail…). It would help the thread to go back on topic if you get suspended… one more post and I report it! (I don‘t want you to get banned which could happen)
Putting you on the ignore list would not help the thread…

This product is unique not just by marketing. It fills a real gap. There is nothing like that, its damn cheap for the potential of cutting costs for artists that release on vinyl.
Its not at all about another variant of getting lofi artefacts into a mix. Its about avoiding artefacts on vinyl releases…

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:27 am

Tj Shredder wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:37 am Its not at all about another variant of getting lofi artefacts into a mix. Its about avoiding artefacts on vinyl releases…

I think he understands that but has yet to appreciate the value to others.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:25 am

Im not sure why the notion of niche software having a higher pricetag is so contentious. Yet its come up previously with weird kneejerking over plugins and software aimed at very specific niches in the game and film industry; it seems to be a persistent artefact of the 'one-size-must-fit-all-the-amateurs' groupthink that occasionally manifests at KVR

When the reaction to a product is the one-two combo of 'I dont need that so why did someone make it' and 'im outraged that Im not entitled to that thing I dont need at a much lower price' then best to ignore and move on.

I dont cut vinyl. I dont own anything by TDR. And yet this seems like an invaluable product for the people that its primarily intended for, who I thoroughly expect to see it through the lens of being a fairly trivial business expense, with significant potential benefits.

ralfrobert · Post by **ralfrobert** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:46 am

What we have here is an interesting discussion ... and this plugin deserves it. It looks geeky, is innovative, has its target audiences ... and has a price tag which is a bit higher than the other TDR stuff. As I am right in the middle between hobbyist and "making a living" from audio, I will check if I really need it. I think many of the negative voices in this thread are people who "desperately want such a toy, but do not have a use case to bring the momey back in". They have to decide if they either want an expensive toy or leave it to other audiences and just move on. Comparing this to high-cost hobbies like motorcycling, skydiving, or high-end gaming, the price seems fair.

Just my two cents.

vladg · Post by **vladg** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:05 am

ralfrobert wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:46 am What we have here is an interesting discussion ... and this plugin deserves it. It looks geeky, is innovative, has its target audiences ... and has a price tag which is a bit higher than the other TDR stuff. As I am right in the middle between hobbyist and "making a living" from audio, I will check if I really need it. I think many of the negative voices in this thread are people who "desperately want such a toy, but do not have a use case to bring the momey back in". They have to decide if they either want an expensive toy or leave it to other audiences and just move on. Comparing this to high-cost hobbies like motorcycling, skydiving, or high-end gaming, the price seems fair.

Just my two cents.

There is demo version to play with the plugin and decide, do you need this toy or not. Demo is time unlimited so the hobbyists have infinite time to make their decision.

ampetrosillo · Post by **ampetrosillo** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:13 am

This plugin is probably not for me, but it has a purpose, as opposed to the plethora of saturators that everybody seems to churn out as if it were something groundbreaking (hint: it isn't. The human ear can't really differentiate all that well between saturators, the most important effect saturators have is compression and the addition of harmonics to the signal, full stop. Pre- and de-emphasis, filtering etc. play a much larger role). I really can't comprehend why the nitpicking. Audio development is a niche anyway, and this is a niche within a niche. If a developer were to maximise their audience, they wouldn't develop VSTs.

Yadrichik_Chaya · Post by **Yadrichik_Chaya** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:35 pm

plexuss wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:22 pm
Yadrichik_Chaya wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:53 pm @plexuss
On top of that there are many annoying marketing tactics in play in an attempt to also be unique (eg. Techivation, Audialab).
Waaah? Audialab had no clue that I would create such a thread like I did.
I did my own thing 100% - I doubt they even saw the original posting.

Read. My. Post. I didn't refer to you or your post at all. I referred to Audialab. I am not sure why you think I was referring to you when I brought up Audialab. Specifically, I was commenting on their annoying onging email campaign. You guys are way too sensitive!

Audialab has no ongoing e-mail campaign that I know of.
And even if they did have one, like you claim, how are they trying to be unique with it? Please enlighten me about this ”annoying marketing tactic” of attempting to be unique. I haven't seen a single trace of it and I'm a launch partner with Audialab…!

Sorry but this makes no sense at all.
I'm not sensitive, I'd actually prefer it you were honest and only referred to me who was responsible for it, and not Audialab, who had no clue. Remember, plenty of others had negative reactions to my thread.

You mention in this thread ”marketing tactics” and in the Emergent Drums by Audialab thread you yourself wrote the following:

plexuss wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:27 pm The dev has been messing around with various marketing approaches. It feels to me like the person who started this maybe partnered with someone else who is responsible for the marketing. At least to me it seems like there were a few different changes to the marketing and launch approach since this product was revealed.

So there you go. It was I who was 100% responsible and should take the blame and not the cool people over at Audialab who are NOT, like you claim, doing some kind annoying ongoing e-mail campaign…

jinotsuh · Post by **jinotsuh** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 pm

Can we please stick to the topic of this thread and keep that other shit out?

Thank you.

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:31 pm

Says the guy trolling the Reaper topic...

rbn777 · Post by **rbn777** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:37 pm

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:56 pm

A highly educational tool , and for that alone TDR should get an award .

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:32 pm

rbn777 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:37 pm I'm a bit baffled by people saying that there's no creative potential in this product and it would only benefit a very niche part of the industry... I mean, in the first 30 minutes of trying this thing, I was able to get the most authentic ass, wrecked lo-fi vinyl simulation I've ever witnessed in a plugin. As someone who veers mostly on the experimental side of electronic music, this is something quite special. Now, if I only had money to spare...

Simulathe On (one instance on master + another one on the orchestral sample, going into a reverb)
https://voca.ro/1gcGl3M6sAUB

Simulathe Off:
https://voca.ro/123KdSmcBT7F

And if that's not enough, hell, you can just leave it on idle to generate infinite Burial or Basic Channel-esque soundscapes... And I'm not even automating this thing:
https://voca.ro/1cEzqmnJzxPv

Congrats guys! Top tier product. Here's hoping that one day I'll be able to scrape together enough cash to buy this one, cause I think it's totally worth it... And not for the purpose it was designed for

I haven't noticed, but do you ever do sales?

EDIT: Probably not, but hey, I figured I'd ask anyway... Is there a way to make this thing do skips?

They have sales which make their plugins obvious purchases.

Not sure when this will be on or how much it will come down. As I suggested, I'm expecting this to be what I wanted from Needlepoint (and a hell of a lot more) but was left wanting.

The magic name you used there, "Burial". I'm sold.

Considering the demo "limitations", I'm sure it can be used creatively until it becomes more affordable through sales or income.

Now I'm even more excited to check it out.

Tokyo Dawn Labs release the SimuLathe product range (virtual disk mastering)