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SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:31 pm

Jolaff wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:23 pm Was it a publicity stunt ? Everybody is talking about them now...

True, but most people are saying they will never trust or use them again!

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:34 pm

So it was the coca-cola stunt after all
- introduce a new product that replace the old one - subscription
- wait for the riot
- then reintroduce that classic product again - perpetual license
- enjoy all the free buzz in cyberspace and media for free

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:40 pm

billcarroll wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:08 pm FabFilter also continues to innovate and develop new versions of their plugins that are worth an upgrade price, and then people are more than happy to pay for an upgrade.

I'm not - too expensive. I still have neither updated Timeless nor Volcano to the latest version. The update to Timeless 3 is a lot more than a license for Valhalla Delay, which receives signifcant updates for free. It's also more than twice of what I usually pay for a Waves plugin.

So in my book they are far from being a good example on how to do it right.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:41 pm

lotus2035 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:00 pm Will they backtrack on the backtracking? Stay Tuned.

Unless they backtrack on the backtracking from the backtrack.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:43 pm

You know what? I'll take it. The statement they released reads like a sincere apology to me. No harm, no foul.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:51 pm

Actions speak louder than words. Once trust is broken, it takes time to reestablish it again.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:53 pm

Well, yeah, that's kind of assumed. I just no longer see any point in giving them shit for it. It looks like they've listened. Good. Let's see what happens next.

fcamp · Post by **fcamp** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:54 pm

I heard once that credibility is like virginity, you only lose it once.

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:55 pm

Burillo wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:43 pm You know what? I'll take it. The statement they released reads like a sincere apology to me. No harm, no foul.

Same here absolutely.

Plus - I may read into it too much, but - I find it suprising that the statement doesn't come from the CEO, but his founding partner, who acts as the CTO. I think it's quite possible that he was against it right from the start and the CEO was pushing for it no matter what.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:56 pm

Burillo wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:53 pm Well, yeah, that's kind of assumed. I just no longer see any point in giving them shit for it.

but! this is the internet!
like chimps, we fling shit!!!

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:57 pm

Exactly!

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:59 pm

Burillo wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:53 pm Well, yeah, that's kind of assumed. I just no longer see any point in giving them shit for it. It looks like they've listened. Good. Let's see what happens next.

Then this isn't the thread for you.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:01 pm

VitaminD wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:51 pm Actions speak louder than words. Once trust is broken, it takes time to reestablish it again.

True, but admitting they made a bad decision and taking steps to undo that bad decision is also an action.

audenso · Post by **audenso** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:07 pm

It’s too late for crisis management.
Backtracking won’t help them.

What a great lesson for every other developer who choses to follow Waves’ steps

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:12 pm

cryophonik wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:01 pm
VitaminD wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:51 pm Actions speak louder than words. Once trust is broken, it takes time to reestablish it again.
True, but admitting they made a bad decision and taking steps to undo that bad decision is also an action.

Choosing not to make such a bad decision in the first place should have been the action.

So they still deserve this punishment for not doing their due diligence before taking their initial course of action. As long as they've been around, they should have known better.

And we have no idea what that new course of action really looks like though, at this point. The website is still subscription only at this point. We've only got their low value words at this point to say otherwise.

I'm going to need more than a flowery mea culpa message before I believe them.

Waves already backtracking