Ableton 12 - Generative MIDI, Multiband Distortion and more

[elxsound]

I'm guessing at this point that there must be something in the Ableton architecture that makes it incredibly difficult for them to implement the capability to destructively edit audio files in Session View. Gosh Darnit!!!!

From a workflow standpoint, It’s not meant to work this way in Live (both arrangement and session views).

They purposely add an option to link to an external audio editor via clip detail for this reason.

[andypryce]

In sonic state video the moment (8:30) where the Ableton guy shuts down Nick when he tries to ask about audio tuning is priceless

[Karbon L. Forms]

The ARA Integration peeps on centercode are raging.

[andypryce]

The ARA Integration peeps on centercode are raging.

I saw, it is sad but hilarious at the same time
I'm sure Ableton was expecting this.

[Taoist]

I'm guessing at this point that there must be something in the Ableton architecture that makes it incredibly difficult for them to implement the capability to destructively edit audio files in Session View. Gosh Darnit!!!!

From a workflow standpoint, It’s not meant to work this way in Live (both arrangement and session views).

They purposely add an option to link to an external audio editor via clip detail for this reason.

Well, I reckon I need to look into this external audio editor because this would speed up my workflow more than any other feature. I appreciate you bringing that to my attention.

[elxsound]

I'm guessing at this point that there must be something in the Ableton architecture that makes it incredibly difficult for them to implement the capability to destructively edit audio files in Session View. Gosh Darnit!!!!

From a workflow standpoint, It’s not meant to work this way in Live (both arrangement and session views).

They purposely add an option to link to an external audio editor via clip detail for this reason.

Well, I reckon I need to look into this external audio editor because this would speed up my workflow more than any other feature. I appreciate you bringing that to my attention.

Just curious… what is it you are trying to do? I don’t have reason for using it this as much I used to, so now I usually drop something on the arrangement view, render to a new file and then bring back into Session View.

It’s definitely not as easy as working directly in an audio editor.

[Taoist]

I work 90% of the time in Session View just generating ideas. I very often create beats or melodies in one track and then bounce that to audio in another, especially if I'm using external gear to generate those pieces of music. With beats especially I would love to be able to cut/copy/paste right within the clip that I had just created. Or, I may be working with a sample in Session that I would love to be able to do the same with. More often than not it is mainly just beats that I would like to destructively edit within a Session clip without having to go back and forth between Session and Arrangement.

[Dirtgrain]

I'm guessing at this point that there must be something in the Ableton architecture that makes it incredibly difficult for them to implement the capability to destructively edit audio files in Session View. Gosh Darnit!!!!

I believe we can, even with 11, have two windows open of a project, which can help with this--one in session, one in arrangement. Not quite what you ask for, but it could be handy. I haven't tried it actually.

[elxsound]

I work 90% of the time in Session View just generating ideas. I very often create beats or melodies in one track and then bounce that to audio in another, especially if I'm using external gear to generate those pieces of music. With beats especially I would love to be able to cut/copy/paste right within the clip that I had just created. Or, I may be working with a sample in Session that I would love to be able to do the same with. More often than not it is mainly just beats that I would like to destructively edit within a Session clip without having to go back and forth between Session and Arrangement.

Got it… yeah, it’s cumbersome. Using an audio editor won’t improve this.

When I used an audio editor I was doing more 1 shot sample creation.

I’ve gotten used to doing this in live but it’s not the easiest… copy/tab/paste/consolidate/copy/tab/paste

[elxsound]

I'm guessing at this point that there must be something in the Ableton architecture that makes it incredibly difficult for them to implement the capability to destructively edit audio files in Session View. Gosh Darnit!!!!

I believe we can, even with 11, have two windows open of a project, which can help with this--one in session, one in arrangement. Not quite what you ask for, but it could be handy. I haven't tried it actually.

Dual windows works, but it’s still a copy/paste workflow. It’s not the end of the world, but it’s not the same as destructively editing.

I’m good with it.

[Dirtgrain]

One workflow change I wish for is to be able to have midi clips not loop by default. I double clicks the clip and then click the tiny yellow button over and over, day after day.

[Taoist]

I'm guessing at this point that there must be something in the Ableton architecture that makes it incredibly difficult for them to implement the capability to destructively edit audio files in Session View. Gosh Darnit!!!!

I believe we can, even with 11, have two windows open of a project, which can help with this--one in session, one in arrangement. Not quite what you ask for, but it could be handy. I haven't tried it actually.

Dual windows works, but it’s still a copy/paste workflow. It’s not the end of the world, but it’s not the same as destructively editing.

I’m good with it.

Yeah, I truly can't complain too much.... I don't think I could ever say Ableton is not flexible enough for me. It's come a long ways since version 6 where I started. 1st world problems...

[liquidsound]

One workflow change I wish for is to be able to have midi clips not loop by default. I double clicks the clip and then click the tiny yellow button over and over, day after day.

Just save an unlooped clip in the user folder or somewhere else and then drag it into the project. Not the same but available.
That clip can also have Scale ready etc.

[PieBerger]

Ah yes, healthy discussion about two similar DAWs, must be hijacking by fanboys

It's always, Bitwig does it better, without supporting the claim. It's all, Bitwig does it all without that Ableton magic . . . with a zillion devices, lol. I own both. Bitwig is good but they pretend it does everything as well as Ableton.

So much for "Bitwig does it better, without supporting the claim" eh

...I switched to Bitwig because even without all of the bells and whistles like the Grid, MIDI Operators and deep, native modulation system etc., it's still the better DAW imo. Features like per clip bounce, place and multiclip fading, clips as containers for events, plugin sandboxing, full signal path PDC and so on, aren't very sexy but they make for a much better basic DAW experience and in the end, I believe that counts for more then esoteric features and shiny new toys, the latter Ableton already has a well-earned reputation for providing.

Bitwig is better at being a simple, stable, functioning DAW and these are the reasons why I think this. It's relevant to the discussion, because a new version of Live has been announced and it is still missing the most simple of the aforementioned features and it's frustrating because I would like to use it more, but it feels like such a potato by comparison.

I accept updates won't please everyone, the Grid in Bitwig for example, wasn't/still isn't for everyone, but surely a large part of the userbase will benefit from industry standard editing features/workflow, so why so much resistance from Ableton to implement them? For example, Live knows what clips are, you can export a MIDI clip for example, you can export audio in Live and you can create a new track, so why can't the dev team make it so that you can do all three with a single keystroke (like you can in every other DAW since forever)?!

[kimearo]

In general good update imo. New browser is nice; UI changes are also look good; cool midi tools and audio fx. but instead of producing new synths, I would prefer them to add:
* bounce in place (just nice to have for me)
* bypass third-party fx from the plugin window (like in logic, cubase, reaper, etc ...)
* better mixer with fx shown like in (like in logic, cubase, reaper, etc ...)<I know it's possible to turn it on in a experimental mode, but it works poorly> that would be +1000 to the mixing experience
* more shortcuts and ability to have custom shortcuts (afaik was not added)

Probably that would be a perfect DAW for me. Other DAWs have functions mentioned above, but I like Live's workflow and devices so stick with it for now.