Ableton Move (now available)

[Double Tap]

Transfer from Move to Note then Live? But can you transfer from Live to Move?

[VOODOO U]

I'd rather buy a vacuum.

[ChiTown24]

Translation from Japanese shop that has it listed:

Ableton Move is a new standalone instrument for intuitive music production.
With a simple workflow, portable design and over 1500 sounds and instrument presets, Move makes it easy to jumpstart new ideas. It features 32 polyphonic aftertouch pads, a 16-step sequencer, a built-in microphone and speaker, and seamless integration with Ableton Live 12 software. Start your ideas in Move and finish them in Live.

Hardware
● Touch-sensitive, clickable jog wheels
● 16x backlit multi-function buttons
● 9x high-resolution encoders
● 1.3" white OLED display
● Stereo line out and stereo line in (3.5mm)
● Built-in microphone and speaker
● Built-in WiFi
● 64GB internal storage
● USB-C port for connecting to a computer
● USB-A port for connecting MIDI devices
● Dimensions: W313.5 x D146.3 x H34mm
● Weight: 0.97kgConnectivityControl

Live
Mode Control Ableton Live with MoveSet ContinuityTransfer
sets from Move to Note and continue working in Live or PushBuilt-
in Ableton LinkSync devices over a local network

the only thing they mention in terms of creating sound is '1500 sounds and instrument presets'. No mention of synth or sample engines. This thing is really smelling like Note in a box. And if that's the case, this thing is a 3rd trimester back alley abortion if it's priced in the region of $500 (which the earliest japanese store leak seems to support).

If it's Note in a box, you would be out of your mind not to simply buy an iPad for $350 + $9 for the Note app (plus a wealth of other absolutely stellar iPad audio apps with the $140 or so left over, or a launchpad mini etc).

if it's priced in the region of $500, it needs to have full fledged synth and/or sample engines. Full fledged. Not preset macros.

If it is actually Note in a box it needs to be $300 at most. Even then, it's totally unappealing if it's mostly preset tweaking and very limited scope for custom sound design.

not to mention I'm seeing reports of this thing only having a 3 hour battery life. more reason to have your head checked if you go for this over an iPad, particularly at a $500-ish price point.

my expectations are now suitably low, so I'm totally primed to have my expectations exceeded.

Let's see.

[fedexnman]

I'd rather buy a vacuum.

Maybe Ableton will make that next for you the "Ableton Suck" mane that might Move yuh

[SLiC]

Translation from Japanese shop that has it listed:

Ableton Move is a new standalone instrument for intuitive music production.
With a simple workflow, portable design and over 1500 sounds and instrument presets, Move makes it easy to jumpstart new ideas. It features 32 polyphonic aftertouch pads, a 16-step sequencer, a built-in microphone and speaker, and seamless integration with Ableton Live 12 software. Start your ideas in Move and finish them in Live.

Hardware
● Touch-sensitive, clickable jog wheels
● 16x backlit multi-function buttons
● 9x high-resolution encoders
● 1.3" white OLED display
● Stereo line out and stereo line in (3.5mm)
● Built-in microphone and speaker
● Built-in WiFi
● 64GB internal storage
● USB-C port for connecting to a computer
● USB-A port for connecting MIDI devices
● Dimensions: W313.5 x D146.3 x H34mm
● Weight: 0.97kgConnectivityControl

Live
Mode Control Ableton Live with MoveSet ContinuityTransfer
sets from Move to Note and continue working in Live or PushBuilt-
in Ableton LinkSync devices over a local network

the only thing they mention in terms of creating sound is '1500 sounds and instrument presets'. No mention of synth or sample engines. This thing is really smelling like Note in a box. And if that's the case, this thing is a 3rd trimester back alley abortion if it's priced in the region of $500 (which the earliest japanese store leak seems to support).

If it's Note in a box, you would be out of your mind not to simply buy an iPad for $350 + $9 for the Note app (plus a wealth of other absolutely stellar iPad audio apps with the $140 or so left over, or a launchpad mini etc).

if it's priced in the region of $500, it needs to have full fledged synth and/or sample engines. Full fledged. Not preset macros.

If it is actually Note in a box it needs to be $300 at most. Even then, it's totally unappealing if it's mostly preset tweaking and very limited scope for custom sound design.

not to mention I'm seeing reports of this thing only having a 3 hour battery life. more reason to have your head checked if you go for this over an iPad, particularly at a $500-ish price point.

my expectations are now suitably low, so I'm totally primed to have my expectations exceeded.

Let's see.

We will know tomorrow but sounds and instrument presets sounds like there are synths to me, as for this or a phone/ipad, that argument can be made for just about any digital groove box, but at least this has 32 velocity and poly at pads and a bunch of touch sensitive rotaries and buttons…people who prefer hardware to a touch screen will pay for that…it’s a stand alone groove box and a controller…that’s worth something.

[concealed identity]

I'd rather buy a vacuum.

If you're looking for something that sucks, this might be a better choice

[BoogerSnot]

Translation from Japanese shop that has it listed:

Ableton Move is a new standalone instrument for intuitive music production.
With a simple workflow, portable design and over 1500 sounds and instrument presets, Move makes it easy to jumpstart new ideas. It features 32 polyphonic aftertouch pads, a 16-step sequencer, a built-in microphone and speaker, and seamless integration with Ableton Live 12 software. Start your ideas in Move and finish them in Live.

Hardware
● Touch-sensitive, clickable jog wheels
● 16x backlit multi-function buttons
● 9x high-resolution encoders
● 1.3" white OLED display
● Stereo line out and stereo line in (3.5mm)
● Built-in microphone and speaker
● Built-in WiFi
● 64GB internal storage
● USB-C port for connecting to a computer
● USB-A port for connecting MIDI devices
● Dimensions: W313.5 x D146.3 x H34mm
● Weight: 0.97kgConnectivityControl

Live
Mode Control Ableton Live with MoveSet ContinuityTransfer
sets from Move to Note and continue working in Live or PushBuilt-
in Ableton LinkSync devices over a local network

the only thing they mention in terms of creating sound is '1500 sounds and instrument presets'. No mention of synth or sample engines. This thing is really smelling like Note in a box. And if that's the case, this thing is a 3rd trimester back alley abortion if it's priced in the region of $500 (which the earliest japanese store leak seems to support).

If it's Note in a box, you would be out of your mind not to simply buy an iPad for $350 + $9 for the Note app (plus a wealth of other absolutely stellar iPad audio apps with the $140 or so left over, or a launchpad mini etc).

if it's priced in the region of $500, it needs to have full fledged synth and/or sample engines. Full fledged. Not preset macros.

If it is actually Note in a box it needs to be $300 at most. Even then, it's totally unappealing if it's mostly preset tweaking and very limited scope for custom sound design.

not to mention I'm seeing reports of this thing only having a 3 hour battery life. more reason to have your head checked if you go for this over an iPad, particularly at a $500-ish price point.

my expectations are now suitably low, so I'm totally primed to have my expectations exceeded.

Let's see.

Yeah, agree with everything you said. I'm kind of thinking Move will be more along the lines of Novation Circuit Tracks: No real sound design on board, but you can create patches with Live and import them to Move, just like you can with the Circuit Tracks and their software. Pretty sure you can't do that on Note, but I might be wrong on that.

If that's the case (preset import to Move from Live), it opens it up for preset packs and preset sharing, which I think has some appeal in terms of immediacy and reaching a wide audience especially if they can offer up quality preset packs.

I've got my eye on the "Capture" button, a feature that I like in Ableton but that I found to be wonky AF in Note to the point of it not being usable.

In short: If there is no on board sound design, high quality presets can help make up for some of that, and if that's combined with easy composition tools then this could be worthwhile. Price is the next question. Circuit Tracks goes for $400 I think it is. If it's over $500, that's Pushing it, pun intended.

[ChiTown24]

We will know tomorrow but sounds and instrument presets sounds like there are synths to me,

Sounds like synths (maybe) under the hood, but could also simply be samples - and either way, with very limited parameters available to the end user. Ala Note.
Here's the 8 parameters available to tweak on a typical Note preset:
filter freq, filter res, transpose, detune, attack, hold, decay, pan

KOOL. /s

as for this or a phone/ipad, that argument can be made for just about any digital groove box

To varying degrees. It's not often you're getting an expensive hardware version of a cheap & very limited iphone app, after the fact, with worse battery life.

but at least this has 32 velocity and poly at pads and a bunch of touch sensitive rotaries and buttons

ya, great, 32 pads to play factory presets and 8 rotaries to adjust filter freq, filter res, transpose, detune, attack, hold, decay, pan. Be still my beating heart!

ipad + launchpad mini + a treasure trove of way kooler apps + much better battery life = great success.
Ableton Move = an orangutan's still birth that fell from a tree right onto your lunch.

low expectations being exceeded tomorrow notwithstanding.

[ChiTown24]

If that's the case (preset import to Move from Live), it opens it up for preset packs and preset sharing, which I think has some appeal in terms of immediacy and reaching a wide audience especially if they can offer up quality preset packs.

That would be an appealing feature, but I'm skeptical if it will come to pass, at least without some pretty harsh limitations. I'm thinking along the lines of technical limitations of the processor in the Move hardware. They'll want this thing to 'just work', so it would need to have the processing headroom to operate the most intensive preset (for each theoretically supported Live synth) you could possibly create, at the max voice count. At that rate, why wouldn't they just unlock the synth engine entirely on the Move itself ? Why force you to create the preset in Live first, and then export it to Move ?

if we're not seeing full fledged tweakability of a synth engine on the Move itself, I'm not sure what kind of Live->Move synth/preset exports would be possible.

I'm guessing Live could have a 'bounce to Move preset', and what you'd be working with is sample data and pre-defined (sampler style) parameters available for tweaking. Which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But obviously not the same realm of sound design as tweaking the synth itself.

[SLiC]

We will know tomorrow but sounds and instrument presets sounds like there are synths to me,

Sounds like synths (maybe) under the hood, but could also simply be samples - and either way, with very limited parameters available to the end user. Ala Note.
Here's the 8 parameters available to tweak on a typical Note preset:
filter freq, filter res, transpose, detune, attack, hold, decay, pan

KOOL. /s

as for this or a phone/ipad, that argument can be made for just about any digital groove box

To varying degrees. It's not often you're getting an expensive hardware version of a cheap & very limited iphone app, after the fact, with worse battery life.

but at least this has 32 velocity and poly at pads and a bunch of touch sensitive rotaries and buttons

ya, great, 32 pads to play factory presets and 8 rotaries to adjust filter freq, filter res, transpose, detune, attack, hold, decay, pan. Be still my beating heart!

ipad + launchpad mini + a treasure trove of way kooler apps + much better battery life = great success.
Ableton Move = an orangutan's still birth that fell from a tree right onto your lunch.

low expectations being exceeded tomorrow notwithstanding.

iPad + Move will also work and give you a lot of controls for all app….not just pads. That step sequencer also looks fun. Unlike the mini it will make music without being tethered to an iPad, some people prefer that, some people prefer hardware with dedicated knobs/workflow to controllers + computer…I reckon it will sell a ton of its cheap enough…

[kraster]

It seems like people really miss the concept of an instrument.

The Elektron Model Cycles can't play back audio tracks but it's a dedicated FM device tuned to a certain workflow.

The whole "every device needs to do everything" expectation is really weird.

I think the Move will fit as a device to get ideas down IN A PARTICULAR WAY.

That PARTICULAR WAY is the selling point. Elektron Devices like the cycles or samples aren't appealing because they are small DAWS.

Their appeal is because they have a particular feature set with a particular workflow. ie. An instrument/groovebox.

[BoogerSnot]

if we're not seeing full fledged tweakability of a synth engine on the Move itself, I'm not sure what kind of Live->Move synth/preset exports would be possible.

Depends on how powerful Move is. If Live to Move patches are indeed possible, obviously it would be ideal to be able to use ANY Live synth, rather than have it be limited to just a handful of synths (like the Lite synths).

Using ANY Live synth patch on Move would be significant, because like I say that opens the door for some quality sound packs. If it’s handcuffed, to say only the Lite synths, that would be a big limitation.

[BoogerSnot]

It seems like people really miss the concept of an instrument.

The Elektron Model Cycles can't play back audio tracks but it's a dedicated FM device tuned to a certain workflow.

The whole "every device needs to do everything" expectation is really weird.

I think the Move will fit as a device to get ideas down IN A PARTICULAR WAY.

That PARTICULAR WAY is the selling point. Elektron Devices like the cycles or samples aren't appealing because they are small DAWS.

Their appeal is because they have a particular feature set with a particular workflow. ie. An instrument/groovebox.

Yeah, I really really like the all in one concept, but as a groovebox and not a do it all DAW. An all in one groovebox concept has the potential to offer something different, while still having the self contained ability for song creation, while do it all DAW concepts are going to simply end up being similar to each other.

I'm hoping this Move is more the former (unique groovebox) than the latter (sterile DAW).

[kraster]

It seems like people really miss the concept of an instrument.

The Elektron Model Cycles can't play back audio tracks but it's a dedicated FM device tuned to a certain workflow.

The whole "every device needs to do everything" expectation is really weird.

I think the Move will fit as a device to get ideas down IN A PARTICULAR WAY.

That PARTICULAR WAY is the selling point. Elektron Devices like the cycles or samples aren't appealing because they are small DAWS.

Their appeal is because they have a particular feature set with a particular workflow. ie. An instrument/groovebox.

Yeah, I really really like the all in one concept, but as a groovebox and not a do it all DAW. An all in one groovebox concept has the potential to offer something different, while still having the self contained ability for song creation, while do it all DAW concepts are going to simply end up being similar to each other.

I'm hoping this Move is more the former (unique groovebox) than the latter (sterile DAW).

Also I think it’s hard to compete with a desktop based DAW in terms of workflow.

I have an MPC one with the new beta OS.

It’s very cool and in most cases a big improvement over the previous iterations.

But when it comes to arranging and finishing a song I’m not going to be fiddling around with a clunky song mode when I can just do it in 1/10th of the time on a daw.

I find the idea of something that allows me to sketch out ideas on a portable device and then develop them further on the big brother desktop version very appealing, personally.

I expect the move to be something like Ableton NOTE with a much better controller integration. I also expect it to be tightly integrated with Live.

[machinesworking]

Personally as of right now Push has no song mode, so no way in hell is Move going to offer anything more than just a few Scenes you can create. I have the MPC Live II and Push and I really don't have any problem with their ability to write parts out in detail, I have a problem with features that the MPC had forever ,missing in v3 (time signatures, clips, sysex etc.), and a problem with Push not offering any song mode at all. Just give us something as simple as what the MPC has had forever.