yrg thread

[MisterAcoustic]

Well I just bricked mine ...

Did you try the hard reset button on the back near the top right of the battery cover? (He says, never having seen the button himself...)

Yeah, didn't work.

Just wanted to check that you followed the procedure for that - you don't just press it. I think you have to turn off the YRG, press and hold the reset, turn on the YRG, and wait for the lights on the panel.

Once again, just checking.

[annode]

addressing zerocrossing and my demo video;

... but if that's the level of timing accuracy it does, well then it's even a fail at that level because I'm sure my Rockband controller performs a lot better as a game controller.

I notice the vid's audio being out of sync with the video. Maybe the video is just ahead of the audio so it might be interpreted as lag.
I shot that id with my digital still camera, so I guess it's that.

[zerocrossing]

ZerocrossingThere are no tracking problems with the device.

Then why are people complaining about having to play so carefully with it? Trust me, I know midi guitars can be squirrelly, I've worked with them for a long time, since 1983. I know they can be problematic and they need a very clean picking technique to work well.

I found a midi controller that's perfect! It's $600 though.

[edit] Oh, I forgot to add though, that it does require you to change your technique a lot.

[lxm]

ZerocrossingThere are no tracking problems with the device.

Then why are people complaining about having to play so carefully with it? Trust me, I know midi guitars can be squirrelly, I've worked with them for a long time, since 1983. I know they can be problematic and they need a very clean picking technique to work well.

I found a midi controller that's perfect! It's $600 though.

[edit] Oh, I forgot to add though, that it does require you to change your technique a lot.

what did you find worked best since 83? 13 pin godin?

PS. can someone PM me a link to DL the BETA editor. mine should be here tomorrow

[zerocrossing]

what did you find worked best since 83? 13 pin godin?

I've never been satisfied with anything, but I guess the best I ever tried was probably my Steinberger equipped with a GK2 and a Yamaha G50. I had a G10 that did pretty well but you had to pick it really hard. No yodeling though. Never tried a Godin. I always wanted a Ztar, but I can't part with the money. Want to be jealous? I interned for Laurie Anderson during the filming of Home Of The Brave and I got to play Adrian Belew's Jaguar.

[tapper mike]

I've got something interesting to show.
I'll make a video of it tomorrow.

[Soundloop]

I had a G10 that did pretty well but you had to pick it really hard.

I find that new strings and sensor/string height adjustments etc. make all the difference with the G10's in terms of sensitivity. Played my Ztar and G10 today back to back to compare, and I was picking extremely lightly on the G10. I actually find that the lighter you pick, the better it works for fast tremolo picking etc. and it tracked every pick stroke. What I don't like so much with them is the acoustic dissonance. You pretty much need to wear headphones while playing to block out the noise of the strings.. and the shape is annoying.

I agree though, with all of these crazy devices, you need to be more concious of your approach to playing..

[Elantric]

There are no tracking problems with the device.

I agree - YRG has zero tracking problems. And I have owned /still own Roland GM-70, GR30, VG-99, Casio MG510. YRG is the fastest MIDI "guitar-like object" I have ever played. Yes even faster than Axon.
i think what most are working out are the YRG's "out of the box" limited MIDI velocity response to various picking dynamics with the six .030" gauge strings . But this can be corrected and adjusted to the owners needs when the YRG Control Panel App completes beta testing and is released next week.

[tapper mike]

Godin - not worth it. I have three. two are SA

ACS-SA Good not great classical guitar.
It runs RMC piezo's captures mostly from the bridge and a little from the body but not much. While you don't get false responses you don't get sustain either which sucks when you want to play long violins or anything that is seriously sustained. Also the dynamic range falls off as you move up the neck. Plus there are always pesky tuning issues with classicals and this one is no exception.

Freeway-SA
Yep same one Johm McLaughlin uses. It uses ghost riders. Rarely a surprise false note forget tremelo picking on it unless you use vibrato with your right hand at the same time. It gets note on just has hard time pulling it off twice for the same note very fast with note on-note on. It's waiting for note off. Also picks up tones from mostly the bridge and body.

Forget about what you've read about hex pickups. If you want high end response move it furture away from the bridge and size the hieght of the pickup to the string so you can fit a dime between them. You'll get a good loud signal that is in a position where the string is vibrating hard. Granted you'll also get a few surpise notes along the way.

As soon as you try to pipe it to a true midi signal throw in the towel.

Ztars
Honestly it doesn't get any better. They take a little time to get used to playing but once you do they play like butter.

Back to YRG
I took the faceplate off to expose the contacts with some jiggling I got back my D & G strings. Kids dont try this at home. Yes it was fautly workmanship/parts I fixed my immediate problem but it is not how it should be.


There appears to be a doubling effect when you have the sensitivity cranked and are hitting slightly hard which causes a backslap attack.
There also appears to be a speedlimit for tremelo picking. It is physical/mechanical not sensory as far as I can tell.

and yes I've got something interesting to show everyone tomorrow.

[annode]

In response to zerocrossing when he sez;

I know they can be problematic and they need a very clean picking technique to work well.

...and also Elantric when he sez;

YRG has zero tracking problems. ...// YRG is the fastest MIDI "guitar-like object" I have ever played. Yes even faster than Axon.

I can't highlight this enough...the present YRG OS has it double triggering every and all fret notes after the 1st fretted note is struck along a string.
At least in poly mode, (haven't had a chance to test this in mono-mode).
You can't pick every note without getting double trigger on most every note.

That's how it is, and it sounds like your making mistakes as you pick single notes in succession. The faster you play the sloppier it sounds. Inspired knows about it. a workaround may be written into the system/control panel...or maybe not.

It seemed to have been written into the OS to do this so you can get hammer-on, pull-offs. If it was my decision, i'd write that feature out all together. I would, at the least, want a way the user can can turn that on and off.

I suspect what zerocrossing was hearing in my demo-vid, along with the A/V sync thing, is just what i'm talking about.

[tapper mike]

SoundLoop

When you were referring to sound from the strings were you referring to the ztar or the G-10?

Ztars use lasers to pick up the string movement.
Tell me more about your Z did you get a touch cap array or the neck sensor?

[tapper mike]

I can't highlight this enough...the present YRG OS has it double triggering every and all fret notes after the 1st fretted note is stroke along a string.
At least in poly mode, (haven't had a chance to test this in mono-mode).
You can't pick every note without getting double trigger on most every note.

That's how it is, and it sounds like your making mistakes as you pick single notes in succession.

Your setting is too high you are getting string slapback.

[annode]

I can't highlight this enough...the present YRG OS has it double triggering every and all fret notes after the 1st fretted note is stroke along a string.
At least in poly mode, (haven't had a chance to test this in mono-mode).
You can't pick every note without getting double trigger on most every note.

That's how it is, and it sounds like your making mistakes as you pick single notes in succession.

Your setting is too high you are getting string slapback.

Don't know how you can come to that after reading what I wrote.
It's not that. I don't want an argument.

[Soundloop]

SoundLoop

When you were referring to sound from the strings were you referring to the ztar or the G-10?

Ztars use lasers to pick up the string movement.
Tell me more about your Z did you get a touch cap array or the neck sensor?

I was referring to the G10. It's like playing an electric unplugged, but the strings are all g strings tuned to roughly the same note, so it's dissonant and a bit disconcerting unless you use headphones or loud enough monitors.

Re: the ztar, sorry I'm not quite sure which is which in tech terms yet, touch cap array, etc. I'm a ztar newb! It's the newer G5 neck, similar to yours but with more frets I'm assuming, and it has the sensor strip below the strings, and the breath control option. No sensor strip on the neck, just the normal dampener thing..

The Ztar is quite a bit more comfortable to play than the G10. Both have their strengths, but I'll probably be grabbing the ztar more often. The big thing with all of this though is that everything has to be properly set up and adjusted. I've gotten both instruments doing the double trigger thing before setup, so that's just par for the course. They are both very velocity responsive though and quite easy to adjust and dial in (ztar is a bit easier in this respect).

I'm actually hoping the YRG turns out to be halfway cool as well, we'll see. I should have one next week. If not, I'll use it as a game controller. I don't have any axe to grind with YRG, I just really wasn't a fan at all of the over zealous evangalizing from certain beta testers during that long delayed ramp up period (with no product). I think there was a lot of noise/spam on forums where it shouldn't have been, and it was in poor taste IMO. Well, that and their promo videos were gawdawful, but each to his own. I'm not a 10 year old kid, and that seems to be what they were aimed at, but they know their main target market I guess.

I'm also curious if anyone has used one of the new nylon string Carvin guitars, the NS-1?

The ideal would still be something that is actually a guitar, everything else is always a bit of an adjustment for sure.

[annode]

I can't highlight this enough...the present YRG OS has it double triggering every and all fret notes after the 1st fretted note is stroke along a string.
At least in poly mode, (haven't had a chance to test this in mono-mode).
You can't pick every note without getting double trigger on most every note.

That's how it is, and it sounds like your making mistakes as you pick single notes in succession.

Your setting is too high you are getting string slapback.

Don't know how you can come to that after reading what I wrote.
It's not that. I don't want an argument.

Just tested the guitar with PlugSounds 'fretted'/01-Spanish Guitar Fingered and the MidiMonitor tool.
The Spanish Guitar preset has 3 velocity layers so it's easly to hear when velocity levels change without looking at the MidiMonitor often.

To give credit to tapper mike, the YRG does what is called 'switch bounce' when the pick comes in contact with a 'too sensitive string', triggering a note before the string is then plucked.
This is a sensitivity problem.
The double triggering I talk about above is a different thing not related.

I tried for 30 mins using both control panel apps, and two different PCs, to adjust the global string sensitivity so a string would not trigger when picked lightly.
For some reason unknown to me now, I could'nt find a level that was playable.
Was having probs with the apps, so I will try again, looking more closely to what's up with this combination.

I also tried what was recommended to me as a possible work around by someone at Inspired to alleviate the hammer-on double triggering effect. Setting the YRG to mono mode. It changed nothing...not a work around ...maybe a smoke-screen though.

So, if you are getting the 'switch-bounce AND the default hammer-on thing...your in bad shape. This thing is triggering like a madman.