SynthMaster 3 Official Thread: SynthMaster 3/Player v3.4.9 Rev 17271 update

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Just because it is happening for you does not mean it is happening for the other users. Otherwise we would be flooded with support emails (There are currently 8000+ distinct registered users who installed SynthMaster 3 on Windows and MacOS) Something is clearly different in your system. I tested many times, but can not reproduce so far on neither Windows / MacOS, VST2/VST3/AU.

Understood.

However - have been a fan of your products for both v1 and v2 and was stunned to see how difficult this was. And while I do not have a video handy as the other user did earlier in this thread - the behavior is the same.

I have been doing DAWs for 20+ years - rarely have I come across an oddball issue I could not solve - but this is one of them. Trust when I tell you I really tried.

Finally - just because the issue is not being reported on a wide scale - does not mean it does not exist.

And unless you are testing with my specific baseline - Windows 10 22H2 running the VST3 inside of Studio One 6.6.4 - you have not tested it fully.

Now - this setup above is NOT my usual test bed. I always do my "pre-work" for Synthmaster (updating expansions, setting defaults etc) in the standalone version and then bring it in as a VST.

But since your installer (on Windows 10 anyway) failed to properly install shortcuts for the standalone - this was my only option. And perhaps the strange method described above - is contributing to this issue.

I have no skin in this game or any reason to make this up - have plenty of other synths I can use - but I can tell you there is an issue. Loading presets correctly (and quickly) should be priority item #2 - right after priority item #1- which is loading the plugin.

VP

[ThomasHelzle]

But since your installer (on Windows 10 anyway) failed to properly install shortcuts for the standalone - this was my only option.

Not really.
You can just go to the installation directory and start the standalone or create a shortcut with a mouseclick:
C:\Program Files\KV331 Audio\SynthMaster3\SynthMaster3.exe

Right mouse -> Send to -> Desktop (create shortcut)

Can't help with the other issues, everything runs great here.

Cheers and best of luck!

Tom

Doing DAWs for ~35 years here, starting with Bars & Pipes on the Amiga...

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Not really.
You can just go to the installation directory and start the standalone or create a shortcut with a mouseclick:

Of course - but in the middle of the issues I was hacking thru - did not really have any priority to go hunting for the standalone exe to create manual shortcuts.

Just kinda - you know - expected to see them where I always had with V1 and V2 of Synthmaster.

VP

[zvenx]

Interestingly SM3 has been way way way more stable for me than SMOne and SM2 ever were, well at least were till maybe a year or so before their last updates (2021 or so?), to the point that I took them out of my plugins to turn to list... SM3 is finally back in that list..

I actually don't think it has crashed on me once.

Knock on wood.
rsp

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Interestingly SM3 has been way way way more stable for me than SMOne and SM2 ever were, well at least were till maybe a year or so before their last updates (2021 or so?), to the point that I took them out of my plugins to turn to list... SM3 is finally back in that list..

I actually don't think it has crashed on me once.

Good to know.

Any install tips you can offer? I am willing to try again - but if this preset issue persists - that will be my last go round.

VP

[kv331]

And unless you are testing with my specific baseline - Windows 10 22H2 running the VST3 inside of Studio One 6.6.4 - you have not tested it fully.

I ALREADY tested SM3 with Studio One MANY MANY TIMES on both Windows and MacOS!

and just to be on the safe side, here's another test, NO issues with loading presets with keyboard or mouse:

studio ONE.jpg

Something must be different in your DAW environment. Such as, are you running plugins in safe mode or something? This could be a thread issue. The preset data is loaded in the User interface thread and then it is copied to the plugin in the realtime audio thread.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Something must be different in your DAW environment. Such as, are you running plugins in safe mode or something? This could be a thread issue. The preset data is loaded in the User interface thread and then it is copied to the plugin in the realtime audio thread.

Well - all I can tell you is the same DAW runs SM1 and SM2 correctly. I click on a preset - it changes and all is good.

SM3 - I click on preset - the old is still there and still making noise. Click on another - old one is still there. Regardless of which expansion it is or which preset it is.

Not running anything in safe mode or any other node. Have 406 other plugins installed - all of them - expect SM3 - work flawlessly.

If it's a thread issue - cannot help you with that. Certainly not hacking threads here or anything like that.

VP

[kv331]

If it's a thread issue - cannot help you with that. Certainly not hacking threads here or anything like that.

Thread is a technical term in operating systems, I am not talking about kvr threads

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windo ... ng-threads

[zvenx]

I didn't do anything special with my install... Just click on where the installer asked me to click.
Sorry it isn't working for you currently, hope you and Bulent get to find a solution.
rsp

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Update: I installed SM3 Revision 15611, launched it in standalone mode ONLY and was prompted to download a hotfix to Rev 15612. Applied that - and relaunched in standalone mode - using the presets that ship with SM3 - can confirm any preset from the default bank ARE loading correctly. Yes!

Will now add in my swath of expansions from my user account and see where that goes.

Will report back.

VP

[kv331]

Update: I installed SM3 Revision 15611, launched it in standalone mode ONLY and was prompted to download a hotfix to Rev 15612. Applied that - and relaunched in standalone mode - using the presets that ship with SM3 - can confirm any preset from the default bank ARE loading correctly. Yes!

So great to hear that. I hope it works with the VST3 version as well!

[Vocalpoint Studios]

So great to hear that. I hope it works with the VST3 version as well!

OK - second test - into Komplete Kontrol v2.9.6.

It appears that I get three specific "instrument" choices in KK under the KV311 "vendor"

Synthmaster One
Synthmaster 2
Synthmaster 3

I also see that while I have nice previews for all 7000+ SM presets...only SM3 actually loads up in KK. If I select a SM One preset/preview and hit Load on my S61MKII - I get an error within KK stating that SynthmasterOne cannot be loaded - which makes total sense since I do not have SM One or SM2 installed.

But am I not able to use ONLY SM3 for all presets? Like I can in standalone or DAW mode?

Ideally - I was hoping to just use SM3 for ALL these presets - but need to understand this.

To avoid any hassles with unloadable presets - my next move would be to ensure that KK does not scan any SMOne or MS2 preset locations but I also see that all these presets are not separated out into specific instruments - ALL these presets for all three synths are jammed into:

C:\Users\Public\Documents\SynthMaster3\NKS Presets.

I may have to pick thru this list of 7200 presets/previews and parse them into their separate (but current empty) folders in the same location above.

VP

[kv331]

I also see that while I have nice previews for all 7000+ SM presets...only SM3 actually loads up in KK. If I select a SM One preset/preview and hit Load on my S61MKII - I get an error within KK stating that SynthmasterOne cannot be loaded - which makes total sense since I do not have SM One or SM2 installed.

I see what you're saying. I need to work this issue, and release SM3 NKS versions of those SM1 and SM2 presets. This is gonna take a while though. I will start with SM1 and SM2 factory presets initially, and then convert all 52 expansions. Hopefuly in a couple of months.

[kv331]

update on the waveform/wavetable/sample browser, shaping up pretty nicely. Highlighted features:

1. Keyboard support: You can change categories / waveforms using left/right/up/down arrow keys. Once you're done, you can close the dialog with return key. You can switch between categories tree and the listbox using tab, shift-tab keys.

2. Visual feedback: Once you clicked on a waveform parameter to change its value (like the 8 waves in the additive osc), the parameter is highlighted so that you know which parameter you are changing. Also, when you click on another waveform parameter while the browser dialog is open, the dialog switches to that waveform without the need to close/reopen the dialog. This would speed up the workflow.

3. Audio preview: This is not done yet, but I received feature requests from our facebook users group. Shall I add it? So that when you move mouse over a waveform/wavetable/sample, it should start playing, so you can quickly preview. (If you load it, the entire player/preset plays so this preview only plays the resource)

waveform browser.jpg

[ThomasHelzle]

VERY nice!
Love it - IMO one of the greatest workflow improvements for SM.

Some feedback:
2. Would it make sense to have the switching to the waveform somehow optional or with a shortcut?
I could see a scenario where I would want to switch all the waveforms to similar waves from one folder, so if it always jumps to the folder of the current waveform, that may not be ideal in all cases.
Not sure how it could work though.
Could be a "Pin Folder" icon or a toggle to either move to the current folder or not.

3.As long as the audio preview is optional, I like the idea. Maybe do it the same way as with the preset browser so it's consistent?

Thank you so much! SM3 is getting really awesome.

Cheers,

Tom