Omnisphere 2 is here! (yes, it's really here!)

[LoopyFruit]

Can we get the VIP upgrade anywhere other than on the Spectrasonics site?

Cheers

[BBFG#]

Are you going to actually buy it, or it is this just the usual Omnisphere bashing?

How you cued onto that as 'bashing' says more about your mindset than mine.

cwig does have a point here... you do not own omnisphere if i remember correctly... but "always" have more/a lot more negative to say about it then positive... just search this forum with your "username" and "omnisphere/omni"... and see exactly what i am talking about...
if 1 + 1 = 2... one could look at that as bashing...
just saying...

Maybe take another look. I think the worst thing I've said about Omnisphere is that it is a Rompler. Which offends many of its devotees as a 'bash', but since I don't have any problem with it being a rompler (with a large rom library at that) that again shows more about those user's mindset in denial.
Omni is what it is and what I've always questioned is the price, the inability to properly demo.. and the question of what came first... omni or the apparent nuero-wipe so prevalent in so many of its user base. So if there is a perceived 'bashing', it's not really toward the software itself.

[Caine123]

Are you going to actually buy it, or it is this just the usual Omnisphere bashing?

How you cued onto that as 'bashing' says more about your mindset than mine.

cwig does have a point here... you do not own omnisphere if i remember correctly... but "always" have more/a lot more negative to say about it then positive... just search this forum with your "username" and "omnisphere/omni"... and see exactly what i am talking about...
if 1 + 1 = 2... one could look at that as bashing...
just saying...

Maybe take another look. I think the worst thing I've said about Omnisphere is that it is a Rompler. Which offends many of its devotees as a 'bash', but since I don't have any problem with it being a rompler (with a large rom library at that) that again shows more about those user's mindset in denial.
Omni is what it is and what I've always questioned is the price, the inability to properly demo.. and the question of what came first... omni or the apparent nuero-wipe so prevalent in so many of its user base. So if there is a perceived 'bashing', it's not really toward the software itself.

mate im no pro in synthesis but do you really mean Omni is a rompler? if so then why?
im no fanboy at all! if something is good/bad etc. im always open to hear

[elassi]

mate im no pro in synthesis but do you really mean Omni is a rompler? if so then why?
im no fanboy at all! if something is good/bad etc. im always open to hear

Please don't feed the Omni-troll!

[Caine123]

mate im no pro in synthesis but do you really mean Omni is a rompler? if so then why?
im no fanboy at all! if something is good/bad etc. im always open to hear

Please don't feed the Omni-troll!

nah, i really wanna know , no offense, nothing bad-minded. he has so many posts so i take him serious!

[elassi]

nah, i really wanna know , no offense, nothing bad-minded. he has so many posts so i take him serious!

He's okay but when it comes to Omni.... *looks left and right* *whispers*

[BBFG#]

mate im no pro in synthesis but do you really mean Omni is a rompler? if so then why? im no fanboy at all! if something is good/bad etc. im always open to hear

By simple description, any 'synth' or sample player limited to a factory set of samples aka "ROM" is a ROMpler. For some reason, many people believe that term severely limits the instrument. But it's relative to how much of a ROM it has, as well as the type of editing and engine types available to calculate its 'limits'.
With this new update, the ROM portion will hopefully transcend that. Although the current information is still a little vague on just how much more that will entail.

Samplers sample.
RAMplers import. (Sample Players)
ROMplers are set in memory and can only read those.

[zerocrossing]

Well, to be fair a large part of what Omnisphere does is in the realm of ROMpler... so, it's fair to call it that the same way you might call one of the Kurzweil synths a ROMpler, even though it has the V.A.S.T. engine as well. So, sure, Omnisphere is a ROMpler... with a synth engine on board as well. Soon it will have even a more capable synth engine. Maybe at that point we can call it a synth with a ROMpler engine as well.

We tend to use "ROMpler" as a bad word... I'm not sure why. I've had hardware ROMplers that were really great instruments. Sure, there is less you can do with them in one sense, but more in other ways. Is my KingKORG a ROMpler? it's got a PCM based engine on board, but it's just one of the 3 osc types you can use. Is it wrong to make a cool PWM synth pad and have a third osc play a Mellowtron string sample? It sure doesn't sound wrong.

[Caine123]

mate im no pro in synthesis but do you really mean Omni is a rompler? if so then why? im no fanboy at all! if something is good/bad etc. im always open to hear

By simple description, any 'synth' or sample player limited to a factory set of samples aka "ROM" is a ROMpler. For some reason, many people believe that term severely limits the instrument. But it's relative to how much of a ROM it has, as well as the type of editing and engine types available to calculate its 'limits'.
With this new update, the ROM portion will hopefully transcend that. Although the current information is still a little vague on just how much more that will entail.

Samplers sample.
RAMplers import. (Sample Players)
ROMplers are set in memory and can only read those.

i got omnisphere since 5 years or so. you got a lot of soundsources yes. but check this out. it is a synth as well and it is also labeled here



+ here are the different waves + you can also change the shape.



so if im not mistaken this is a VA synth and has also granular synthcapabilites. now why is it ROMpler only?
and not also a VA Synth? i really dont bash here just want to learn for myself and see why you say it's a ROMpler only. again im no fanboy! as i dont like fanboys ....

[BBFG#]

Ironic. I pop in once after not bothering with it, except in the real world, and simply ask if there might be a price increase or just a trend to consider.
The fact that it has so many responses in the negative without looking, tells me I'm the only one that isn't a troll here. Anyone not geared for attack here could easily see I'm still researching it (which means I'm still not dismissing it).

Along those same lines, I demo'd Trilian for a couple of hours today.
Some of my so-called negativity has made things better.
First of all, Eric P. responded here and made changes to the website by adding MP3 demos.
Store fronts have been contacted and the ability to demo has improved much (but could still be better).



Granted, the alinsykoolaida are still in their cups. But that's not EP or Spectrasonics fault.

[mholloway]

Yeah, you're like some kind of f---ing hero, man.

[BBFG#]

And I never to my recollection called it a ROMpler ONLY

I can't think of one rompler I've had that didn't have synth capabilities.
But it never stopped anyone from calling it a rompler.
And why does it matter?
Except in some oversensitive reaction that claims it an ad hominem that's its not.

[Caine123]

And I never to my recollection called it a ROMpler ONLY

I can't think of one rompler I've had that didn't have synth capabilities.
But it never stopped anyone from calling it a rompler.
And why does it matter?
Except in some oversensitive reaction that claims it an ad hominem that's its not.

and sadly you dont reply to me directly and dont reply to my question instead making some overall statement i expected more now and a direct discussion.... seems you dont wanna educate me and tell me why it's no VA Synth....

[wagtunes]

I think Omnisphere suffers from a PR problem among "synthesists."

It's very easy to look at Omnisphere and say "Yeah, it's got a few waveforms and a filter and LFOs and yada, yada, yada, and it can do synth stuff BUT..." and the big BUT is the massive library of samples and patches that, if we're all honest, is THE selling point of the synth. Imagine it didn't have all those samples. Imagine that all it had was those few waveforms and filters and LFOs. Even with the browser and ARP and 8 channel multitimberal capability, people would look at the synth and go "meh" because it's not all that unique. Yeah, it's got some cool envelopes and LFO waveforms and you can create your own shapes and all, but let's be honest...without that massive library, would Omnisphere be one of the, if not THE greatest "synth" ever made?

As long as that massive library is the main selling point, which it's been up to now, Omnisphere WILL be looked at as a rompler first and a "synth" second.

Now, I expect that to change slightly with the update. I think the additional features might bring a few stragglers over to the side of "Yeah, now THIS is a synth."

And the sad part is, even if you took that library away, Omnisphere is still a more powerful "synth" than a lot of the low priced synths that people "accept" as synths. But because they ARE low priced, we don't expect much from them and therefore accept them as they are.

Unfortunately, you're not going to do that when something costs $500. When it does, you expect more from it. And that's understandable.

I just wonder how many people would say Omnisphere is just a rompler if it cost $149?

And for the record, there are some romplers out there that have fewer synth capabilities than Omnisphere has. Granted, they cost a lot less, but they're accepted for what they are.

When you're the most expensive single synth (not counting packages) in the world, you have to take the baggage that goes along with it. And that baggage is very high expectations and demands.

That is why, for some people, Omnisphere is JUST a rompler.

[BBFG#]

And I never to my recollection called it a ROMpler ONLY

I can't think of one rompler I've had that didn't have synth capabilities.
But it never stopped anyone from calling it a rompler.
And why does it matter?
Except in some oversensitive reaction that claims it an ad hominem that's its not.

and sadly you dont reply to me directly and dont reply to my question instead making some overall statement i expected more now and a direct discussion.... seems you dont wanna educate me and tell me why it's no VA Synth....

Well, I wasn't dismissing it. I would call it a rompler with more than one engine though. Simplicity in discussing would be calling it a rompler though, but it unfortunately doesn't set a common ground so that further discussion happens (as it should). It took me months to get past the rhetoric to find out more about the product. Mostly because questioning can be seen as offensive with the same stock of immunized answers being levied against them.

As far as a VA. I have no problem with the term as a set of being virtual. One however could ask, "what is producing that sine?" and then the term breaks down also, except by being a virtual representation more than analog itself. Where are those sines stored?