Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

[fluffy_little_something]

But if they could EASILY get it much closer (and if B sounds worse, then closer would mean worse), then it would point at the possibility of the OP making some effort to >>surpass<< the analog with Diva, not just match it.

And if someone can surpass the analogue, why not do so? It seems you are still trying to prove some sort of cheating where none is possible and most everyone would approve anyway.

So we are back to square 1, is there a clear definition of analog sound (vs what?)?

When U-he decided to make Diva, what was their goal? Emulating some hardware or achieving a certain sound they had in mind?

[Mutant]

That is because you are both conspiracy theorists... any difference must be purposeful and have nefarious intent.

Do you think that A sounds better ?
If yes, then is it OPs skills or is it a coincidence ?

I think it is his skills, that he wanted it this way and he achieved exactly what he wanted, which was not easy at all.

[fluffy_little_something]

Give him a break. Just because most people are against him and he doesn't change his view, doesn't mean he is wrong or a narcissist. Maybe you are all wrong, like when they all thought the Earth was the center of the universe Given the obviously different sound of the two supposedly same sets of sounds, it is no wonder Mutant and a few others including me suspected foul play. And frankly I have not been convinced of the opposite, yet. I mean, who knows if it was simply not possible to make them sound much more similar (even things like whether or not the hw Oberheim was in mint condition play a role) or whether the differences were intended...

Let's face it, there will be no winners and losers in this dispute because there is no way to prove anything. Let's stop wasting our time

That is because you are both conspiracy theorists... any difference must be purposeful and have nefarious intent.

When of course it is far more likely to do with two different synths with different architectures inevitably sounding different.

Nah, some of the differences were obviously due to sound design, not to synth capabilities. That makes some people wonder...
I mean, the whole idea behind this thread is to fool people and mislead them into thinking the better-sounding synth must be hw because as everyone seems to know hw is the original and as such sounds better. And then, ne ne ne ne ne ne, it was Diva, now go and buy my patches, and Diva as well, while you are at it

Would be interesting to know which patches he made first, hw or sw.

[trimph1]

That is because you are both conspiracy theorists... any difference must be purposeful and have nefarious intent.

Do you think that A sounds better ?
If yes, then is it OPs skills or is it a coincidence ?

I think it is his skills, that he wanted it this way and he achieved exactly what he wanted, which was not easy at all.

Sir, you are like unto a pitbull. You get a bone and you run with it.


You cannot prove your claim here either way. Why not just let it be?

[trimph1]

The Illuminati did it....

[zerocrossing]

Remember everyone, this, first and foremost, is a commercial for a sound set. Friskies doesn't show you the cats that sniffed their kibble and walked away. This isn't ment as a slight to Diva, or the soundset. Just take it all with a grain of salt.

[Mutant]

You cannot prove your claim here either way. Why not just let it be?

I don't need to prove it, it is just one possibility - that i believe it is the most logical, plausible one, it is my business and no one elses.
Almost everyone else blindly believes in the other possibility and many dont even see that there are more than one.

[EnGee]

I hope that the OP knows what KVR is now!

It is a mixture of different people with different tastes and backgrounds. The presentation IMO should be more direct (and even that might still invoke arguments!), which it is one of its strengths actually (I don't want to hear just myself reflected on others, I like different opinions to make me think).

For example, if the OP said first, "Hey I have these examples for Diva emulating OB-8. The second one is OB-8 and the first is Diva. Judge for yourself how wonderful is Diva. The presets are available for purchase, see my signature", that would put the OP and his examples in a better place in the eyes of some of us.

Anyway, for me, I'm waiting for Diva, Lush 101, Diversion, Syn'x and some other great soft synths to consume as little as Retrologue in my setup now. That mostly would be the case after few years when I purchase i9 or a very fast i7. Of course, this doesn't mean that I won't purchase a hardware like Pulse 2! But, if Pulse 2 can't do the sounds of the above synths (not only Diva), then I will fill the hardware with the software.

I don't care really if it is software or hardware, what sounds good is good for me On one condition, that I feel free and not concerned about cpu usage

[fluffy_little_something]

Same here, unfortunately all those authentically analog sw synths are currently not an option to me, maybe in 2020
Then again, I am not so sure I even want that typical analog sound as such in the first place. I prefer a good, efficient sound, even if it is somewhat digital. I can live without analog drift and all those programmed irregularities. Is music made with Diva any better than music made with Sylenth? I guess that is a rhetorical question.

[Mutant]

epilogue:

arf arf

And will the owner kindly get this dog out of my backyard?

And please do it fast before I am tempted to kick it over the fence.

Thanks.

Huh?!

Forgive him.
At his age it is normal to call people dogs and give threats of violence, you know... hormones.

[Mutant]

I can live without analog drift and all those programmed irregularities.

You can kinda emulate the drift if your host can modulate synth parameters with random LFO.

[fluffy_little_something]

I can live without analog drift and all those programmed irregularities.

You can kinda emulate the drift if your host can modulate synth parameters with random LFO.

I have no idea whether or not my host can do that. I won't even try because I see no point in emulating imperfection. When I make music today, everyone knows I make it today and not 30 years ago. So who would I be fooling...

[Mutant]

I can live without analog drift and all those programmed irregularities.

You can kinda emulate the drift if your host can modulate synth parameters with random LFO.

I have no idea whether or not my host can do that. I won't even try because I see no point in emulating imperfection. When I make music today, everyone knows I make it today and not 30 years ago. So who would I be fooling...

If it is REAPER then it can.
To make sure we are transmitting on the same wavelength:

Play C3 and C4 together.
Single osc, filter open 100%, no modulation.
Without the drift it will sound very boring.
With the drift, the sound will start moving, it will become more "alive".

I highly prefer the second option.

[EnGee]

Same here, unfortunately all those authentically analog sw synths are currently not an option to me, maybe in 2020
Then again, I am not so sure I even want that typical analog sound as such in the first place. I prefer a good, efficient sound, even if it is somewhat digital. I can live without analog drift and all those programmed irregularities. Is music made with Diva any better than music made with Sylenth? I guess that is a rhetorical question.

Actually, for my style of music (Something like Depeche Mode, pop synth and some Rock influence), I don't need that much the Analog except Arp 2600 V sound because I can't find another synth that has the same or similar character! Blofeld, Loom or Codex can provide me with at least 80% of what I need really and they can produce some analogish feel, but they need more time and won't be as near as already analog synth (soft or hard) could achieve.

Anyway, for me I'm demoing Ultra Analog 2 (which I never paid attention before) and I liked what I hear. The cpu usage is low (like Retrologue or SEM V) and the sound is very detailed. I don't have such synth really. So, it is in my list to buy now and I will hunt it in the market place

[pdxindy]

I think it is his skills, that he wanted it this way and he achieved exactly what he wanted, which was not easy at all.

and that is an opinion... and you can have whatever opinion you want