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herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:50 pm

You think its a no brainer, and when you actually try to put it into words......

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:00 am

start/select · Post by **start/select** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:00 am

i was thinking something similar recently. why is uplifting music uplifiting? are we genetically preprogrammed to respond a certain way to certain progressions or is this just environmental conditioning and completely arbitrary. i guess it has something to do with a certain degree of controlled symmetry being involved but that still doesn't explain everything.

MackTuesday · Post by **MackTuesday** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:10 am

I think it's entirely subjective. Whenever I hear someone say, "That genre isn't music," or "That song isn't music," or "That artist isn't music," I want to stab that person in the neck with a ball point pen and say, who the f**k are you to make such a pronouncement? Who died and made you Prime Arbiter of the Musical Universe? You sound just like the scheming egotists who prowled the grounds of my university campus, trying to tell people what God is.

Hm, I guess that nerve is still tender.

knockman · Post by **knockman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:15 am

here's a rough sketch:

admittedly it only goes part way to explaining.

mindless · Post by **mindless** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:15 am

MackTuesday wrote:I think it's entirely subjective. Whenever I hear someone say, "That genre isn't music," or "That song isn't music," or "That artist isn't music," I want to stab that person in the neck with a ball point pen and say, who the fcuk are you to make such a pronouncement? Who died and made you Prime Arbiter of the Musical Universe? You sound just like the scheming egotists who prowled the grounds of my university campus, trying to tell people what God is.

Hm, I guess that nerve is still tender.

Your music must suck!

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:16 am

nuffink wrote:Wiki has a crack.

Yeah thats a damn good start.

But it really just explains why the question is so difficult to answer. You can never really pin it down in a satisfactory manner.

I think this amorphousness is a big part of its power.

jackson · Post by **jackson** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:17 am

MackTuesday wrote:I think it's entirely subjective. Whenever I hear someone say, "That genre isn't music," or "That song isn't music," or "That artist isn't music," I want to stab that person in the neck with a ball point pen and say, who the fcuk are you to make such a pronouncement? Who died and made you Prime Arbiter of the Musical Universe? You sound just like the scheming egotists who prowled the grounds of my university campus, trying to tell people what God is.

Hm, I guess that nerve is still tender.

Know what you mean! Just spoke with my brother-in-law for the first time in a couple of years. One of the first things he asked was "So I take it you still aren't listening to any REAL music yet, eh?"

Nice guy though

Mike

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:32 am

Yeah, REAL music. It ain't ear candy. It takes some real work to get through. All those banjos and bagpipes and chainsaws. It's certainly not for everyone.

knockman · Post by **knockman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:36 am

i take this line from the wiki,

'According to musicologist Jean-Jacques Nattiez (1990 p.47-8,55): "The border between music and noise is always culturally defined--which implies that, even within a single society, this border does not always pass through the same place; in short, there is rarely a consensus.... By all accounts there is no single and intercultural universal concept defining what music might be."'

as being a good starting point for mere convenience. but i would like to change "even within a single society", to "even within a single individual", as i can readily find myself easily in conflict with my prior notions and former concerns on such matters within a very short space of time. infact i rather enjoy such oscillation of opinion - a condition that eventually undermined my career in local government, thank goodness!

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:45 am

Organised noise.

knockman · Post by **knockman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:56 am

i'd lke to raise slight issue with my previous post and suggest that in addition to not really saying anything original i'd be wise to consider this; perhaps music is best understood through its power to invert our linguistics through a carnival of analogies, metaphor and simile.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:57 am

Sybil: "BAAASIL!!! Turn OFF that racket!!"

Basil: "That's Brahm's 3rd Racket"

- Farty Towels

knockman · Post by **knockman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:57 am

@ myself above: hmm, perhaps, but i don't see how that brings us any closer to what music is.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:11 am

It's the same as a "beat." Next someone ought to start a thread asking what a "beat" is.

Oh, wait...

What exactly is "Music" anyway?