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Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:04 am

Question, folks. I wants to remove a lot of superfluous entries in my cakewalk VST adapter, and it looks like the only way to do it is to use the registry. But I'm reluctant to do this. I was told once that if you remove something from your registry without first sending it to the recycle bin and deleting it that way too, then it will somehow get stuck in your system and you'll never be rid of it. All I want to do is remove superfluous entries. I've moved things from one folder to another but the registry still shows it in it's original folder as well as the one I moved it to. also, when I use the Magix adapter to remove selected VSTs from the Cake adapter they are not removed in the registry. So basically I just want some advice from a Windows registry guru on how I should approach this, if at all.
btw, the VSTs are listed under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Cakewalk Music Software in 2 places, Plugins(a bunch-but not all-are here and I don't get why just these plugs, maybe they're some of the earliest I installed) and Inventory(where the serious redundancy resides).

ecamburn · Post by **ecamburn** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:13 am

Have you tried Cakewalk's plugin manager?

http://www.cakewalk.com/download/pim.asp

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:16 am

ecamburn wrote:Have you tried Cakewalk's plugin manager?

http://www.cakewalk.com/download/pim.asp

I looked at it(it's included on the S3PE install CD) but it dosen't look like it does what I need. I've got things counted 3, 4, 5, even 6 times in the Properties area. Someone here mentioned using the registry or tackling the problem in some other way on another thread, I can't remember which exactly. Also, when I put a prefix before the names of my plugins the prefixes are not included with any of the effects plugs, just the instruments. So I can't organize any of my effects plugs. I have a copy of SubSonar, I'd like to learn how to use it. maybe that would help. Should I put it in the same folder with the adapter? It's in it's own folder just sitting there, doing nothing(sorry I'm straying a little off topic here).

papatomany · Post by **papatomany** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:52 am

AnalogX's dxman works for some folks (not too well on my system). However, I've just used regedit and searched for every instance of the plug in the registry. Haven't seen any ill effects from this.

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:43 am

papatomany wrote:AnalogX's dxman works for some folks (not too well on my system). However, I've just used regedit and searched for every instance of the plug in the registry. Haven't seen any ill effects from this.

Thanks for the heads-up. I downoaded dxman and I'll see how it works. Oh, but you would'nt believe what the damn thing is doing now. I got some free FX from Fretted Synth Audio, and the best of all the bunch are the Tripplead and StringSculptor2. Have you tried these? Oh jeez, you would'nt believe how cool it is to play your guitar and hear a bass synth! So I was reorganizing my plugins and when I re-ran the adapter(so it will know what folder they're in now) and opened Sonar I get this "plugin failed to load" error. The reason given is "out of memory". Not only that, but it gives the old file path from before I moved the plugin.
Some of my other guitar effects are getting this, too. The Heeb Crunchdude, both the Helians, the mdrive, SE_1 and SE_2, but not the Drivestomp, WAH_T or FreeAmp_SE, so it can't by just Fretted Synth products. I don't know what to think.

xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:01 am

Why not use the 'Reset All' option on the adapter (this removes all the registry entries that the adapter has generated) and then rescan your plugins? This should tidy things up a lot.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:13 am

Moe Shinola wrote: btw, the VSTs are listed under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Cakewalk Music Software in 2 places, Plugins(a bunch-but not all-are here and I don't get why just these plugs, maybe they're some of the earliest I installed) and Inventory(where the serious redundancy resides).

The clue is in an answer to another thread you started about this (one of many!), but which you seemed to abandon.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 19#1456819

Cakewalk's various revisions of the plugin also changed where registry info was stored at one point.

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:11 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Moe Shinola wrote: btw, the VSTs are listed under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Cakewalk Music Software in 2 places, Plugins(a bunch-but not all-are here and I don't get why just these plugs, maybe they're some of the earliest I installed) and Inventory(where the serious redundancy resides).
The clue is in an answer to another thread you started about this (one of many!), but which you seemed to abandon.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 19#1456819

Cakewalk's various revisions of the plugin also changed where registry info was stored at one point.

Yes, I do seem to start a lot of threads about the adapter. It's just that I keep thinking I've either found a solution to a problem(that dosen't last long) or I think I've hit on the perfect way to describe the problem to get the right solution, so I'll start another thread. In answer to the last Q you had on the other thread, The only other adapter I have is the Magix adapter(I believe FXspansion make that one, as well as the Cake adapter). That was from when I bought a second-hand copy of Music Studio and hated it, but the adapter stayed around after I though I'd deleted the whole program. Lucky for me, as it can remove specific folders from the Cake adapter(at least it looks that way until you check the registry) whereas Cake has an annoying habit of scanning the entire system for plugins no matter how narrow I want the scan to be.
I guess I'll follow some forum advice and Reset All again, maybe that will restore the Fretted Synth plugs and Crunchdude. I'm really loath to remove plugs from the registry, but I'll delete the redundancies and see what happens. That Magix adapter, now where is it in my registry? I just wonder...

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:13 am

Nope, wrong turn. But Success! Success, anyway. Deleted the redundant Tripplead and String Sculptor 2 in the registry, Reset All, then re-scanned, They're back! I just love these two plugs.

papatomany · Post by **papatomany** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:24 am

xylyx wrote:Why not use the 'Reset All' option on the adapter (this removes all the registry entries that the adapter has generated) and then rescan your plugins? This should tidy things up a lot.

For some of us it doesn't work. I click "reset all", open up Cakewalk only to find all the plugs still there.

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:29 am

Well, the mysteries of this Cake adapter never cease to amaze. No problem right now, just ongoing reportage: Checked my registry again, the redundant plugs I deleted are right back where they were before! Looks like all I had to do was close the window and they jumped right back in there. Weird. But good news, somehow this last re-scan "took" in just the right way and all the plugs are there now: the DXi, the VSTs, everything. Why? How? Beats me.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:16 am

Moe Shinola wrote: Yes, I do seem to start a lot of threads about the adapter. It's just that I keep thinking I've either found a solution to a problem(that dosen't last long) or I think I've hit on the perfect way to describe the problem to get the right solution, so I'll start another thread.

Fair enough. Its just a bit difficult to know where you're at...

In answer to the last Q you had on the other thread, The only other adapter I have is the Magix adapter(I believe FXspansion make that one, as well as the Cake adapter).

Im not aware of that one. However if its based on the FXpansion code then it probably is storing an entirely different set of registry entries...

That was from when I bought a second-hand copy of Music Studio and hated it, but the adapter stayed around after I though I'd deleted the whole program.

Possibly because there were VSTs bound to it... ?

Lucky for me, as it can remove specific folders from the Cake adapter(at least it looks that way until you check the registry) whereas Cake has an annoying habit of scanning the entire system for plugins no matter how narrow I want the scan to be.

It should never do that. It should only be capable of scanning the directories you've set it up to scan, so thats very strange.
I suspect I use the adaptor far more than most people, running dozens and dozens of scans and rescans a day sometimes (testing SUBSonar) and Ive never seen anything picked up from outside the right set of directories...

I guess I'll follow some forum advice and Reset All again, maybe that will restore the Fretted Synth plugs and Crunchdude. I'm really loath to remove plugs from the registry, but I'll delete the redundancies and see what happens.

Removing them from the wrapper's database should remove them from Sonar, and disable them from functioning as DX plugins. There still might be some DX type plugin information left in other places. If you want to remove all traces, consider using a registry cleaner.

That Magix adapter, now where is it in my registry? I just wonder...

No idea, but you should be able to track it down by searching for the name of a given .dll its wrapped...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:18 am

papatomany wrote:For some of us it doesn't work. I click "reset all", open up Cakewalk only to find all the plugs still there.

Your database may have been created with an older version of the adaptor, and the newer version is only resetting what it knows about. You may have to delete the old database by hand in the registry.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:22 am

Moe Shinola wrote:Well, the mysteries of this Cake adapter never cease to amaze. No problem right now, just ongoing reportage: Checked my registry again, the redundant plugs I deleted are right back where they were before!
Looks like all I had to do was close the window and they jumped right back in there. Weird.

What are you deleting? Is this definitely the wrapper's database (ie is it under a registry key called something like SOFTWARE/Cakewalk/blah )

If not, there are a couple of 'dynamic' entries per DX plugin which are created as part of the wrapping process, and if you get the wrong one, they can get restored automatically (if I remember correctly)

But good news, somehow this last re-scan "took" in just the right way and all the plugs are there now: the DXi, the VSTs, everything. Why? How? Beats me.

ummmm.. dunno. Maybe you finally got stuff listed under the 'right' adaptor...

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:17 am

Whyterabbyt wrote:

It should never do that. It should only be capable of scanning the directories you've set it up to scan, so thats very strange.
I suspect I use the adaptor far more than most people, running dozens and dozens of scans and rescans a day sometimes (testing SUBSonar) and Ive never seen anything picked up from outside the right set of directories...

Believe it. It's done that for quite awhile. I thought I had the latest version, too(4.4.2.12), downloaded fron Cakewalk.

What are you deleting? Is this definitely the wrapper's database (ie is it under a registry key called something like SOFTWARE/Cakewalk/blah )

Yes, that's it, under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Cakewalk Music software/Cakewalk VST Adapter/Inventory.

Y'see(and this is where I'm a little ambarrassed, letting my system get this disorganized - I did'nt want to into this much detail), I installed a second, bigger harddrive a few months back, and the idea was to move all the music apps to that one. So I started a new VST folder on the other drive and filled it up with more plugs and then moved it back to the C drive to try and organize better and...

oops.

Oh, dude. Of all the dumb things. Just looked on the d(f) drive again. The folders I thought I'd moved, I only copied them. That's why they were still listed in the registry - they were in 2 diffrent places at once. Well that is now fixed and the registry now reflects this.

Using the registry to optimize the Cakewalk adapter