Does Sonic Reality or IK have any really good Hip Hop drums? I have Sampletank 2 (with st1 sound set) but those drum sounds are rather lame for my taste (and most of my clients)
I am eagerly awaiting the new 2.1 sound set, but I'm not holding my breath for the rap drums to be expanded much.
If anyone has any other suggestions on products I'd welcome them! I just cant afford to buy a bunch of VSTIs just to find out I am not really using them.
Also looking for a really good VSTI for "non-real" sounds, that doesn't take a filter genious to run. If I load the sound and it isn't pretty close right away I am moving on to the next sound. The thing I like about sampletank is that I don't have to think about it too hard. but options are there if I need them.
HipHop drums..
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Oklahoma
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Check out some of the AMG Expansion Tanks on www.esoundz.com like 160DB or Urban Search & Rescue plus some other titles that might suit your needs.
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 23 Jan, 2005 from Cydonia, Mars
Typically, the only way to really get great Hip-Hop/R&B sounding drums sounds is grabbing samples from all over the place. There are a bunch of loop CDs out there (can't think of any names off the top of my head) that you can chop up and turn into drum kits. There are also some good construction kit sample CDs out there that have some pretty good drums that they give you as as single hits (da Nu RandB comes to mind). You can also check out sites like Soundsforsamplers.com and Banginbeats.com. They provide sounds for various samplers, but also just as wav files. And from what I've heard, the AMG stuff is good, too. So check out all of those. I've personally been sampling, recording, processing and coming up with drums for a very long time, though I've never been really serious about doing a sample CD. The circle of producers I work with all make sounds and share. So if need a few to get you started, feel free to e-mail me (aliengroover@musician.org) and I'll hook you up.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Some people probably don't know this is a sample developer's forum I guess. 
It's all good.
We do have some urban loops coming as downloadable sound packs on www.esoundz.com as well. You can buy them as waves to load into your SampleTank or REX to load into your sequencer, Stylus, Reason or whatever else you have that may read REX. All kinds of fresh material in fact.
Good luck!
It's all good. We do have some urban loops coming as downloadable sound packs on www.esoundz.com as well. You can buy them as waves to load into your SampleTank or REX to load into your sequencer, Stylus, Reason or whatever else you have that may read REX. All kinds of fresh material in fact.
Good luck!
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 23 Jan, 2005 from Cydonia, Mars
Sorry, Dave. I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes. 
I was just offering up some options, including you guys. And I was just offering to give him some of my sounds (for free, of course) to get him started until he buys some. Like I said, I make sounds for my own use and literally just give them away when my friends ask for them.
Oh, and by "grabbing samples from all over the place", I hope you know I was referring to building kits from your library. Really, I'd start there. ST has some great drums, but you gotta get in there and match up the perfect snare from one kit with the perfect kick and hat from another. It takes time, but it's worth the effort.
'So long as its all good. I try to never cross the line, so if I do feel free to shove me back over it.
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I was just offering up some options, including you guys. And I was just offering to give him some of my sounds (for free, of course) to get him started until he buys some. Like I said, I make sounds for my own use and literally just give them away when my friends ask for them. Oh, and by "grabbing samples from all over the place", I hope you know I was referring to building kits from your library. Really, I'd start there. ST has some great drums, but you gotta get in there and match up the perfect snare from one kit with the perfect kick and hat from another. It takes time, but it's worth the effort.
'So long as its all good. I try to never cross the line, so if I do feel free to shove me back over it.
Peace
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Oklahoma
Hey Squids,Squids wrote:Some people probably don't know this is a sample developer's forum I guess.
We do have some urban loops coming as downloadable sound packs on www.esoundz.com as well. You can buy them as waves to load into your SampleTank or REX to load into your sequencer, Stylus, Reason or whatever else you have that may read REX. All kinds of fresh material in fact.
Good luck!
I knew the topic was "close" to the line But frankly I didn't know where else to ask.
I looked at the AMG libraries, but hey seemed to be loops mostly. I have not gotten neck deep into sampletank yet, but the loops that came with sample tank play only at 1 tempo and that is pretty usless to me.
also loops are cool if they can playback at the tempo of the host, but mainly I want just drum hits that pound. or that have the potential to pound with some compression and such.
I may be doing something wrong, but the one time I imported a wave file for a snare that sounded really cool,the resulting playback seemed rather neutered compared to the original.
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
Since you're using SampleTank2, you can use the "Loop Sync" button to automatically make the loops play with the host tempo.
When you import sounds, check the filter settings if they sound a bit duller - you can make the sound crisper by setting the filter frequency to maximum and increasing the resonance a little. Alternatively, change the filter mode to high pass and drop the frequency right down.
As another option, check out Sonik Synth 2. It's got tons of drum kits, including electronic drums, acoustic drums, hybrid drums. There are a few munged vinyl kits, killer club kick drums, all sorts of snares and claps. Of course, Sonik Synth 2 has much more than just drums! The sounds are pretty raw though - which I like because it gives the freedom to process and warp the sounds to make them original. The Eclectic Drums Capsule has some similar material too (at about a quarter of the price, but it's only drums).
Like you, I don't like to get bogged down in tweaking when I'm on a roll, so what I do is spend time creating drum kits in my down time - when I'm not working with clients or on other projects. That way I've now got a nice big library of custom drum kits saved as child presets in SampleTank2, ready for when I need a sound now.
-Kim.
When you import sounds, check the filter settings if they sound a bit duller - you can make the sound crisper by setting the filter frequency to maximum and increasing the resonance a little. Alternatively, change the filter mode to high pass and drop the frequency right down.
As another option, check out Sonik Synth 2. It's got tons of drum kits, including electronic drums, acoustic drums, hybrid drums. There are a few munged vinyl kits, killer club kick drums, all sorts of snares and claps. Of course, Sonik Synth 2 has much more than just drums! The sounds are pretty raw though - which I like because it gives the freedom to process and warp the sounds to make them original. The Eclectic Drums Capsule has some similar material too (at about a quarter of the price, but it's only drums).
Like you, I don't like to get bogged down in tweaking when I'm on a roll, so what I do is spend time creating drum kits in my down time - when I'm not working with clients or on other projects. That way I've now got a nice big library of custom drum kits saved as child presets in SampleTank2, ready for when I need a sound now.
-Kim.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Oklahoma
Thanks for the info Kim! I will look at that as soon as I get to the studio.
How would you say that sampletank and sonic synth are different? I am looking for something new, but I don't want to buy sampletank repackaged But if the sound sets are sufficiantly different from one another I might bite. over all, what kind of sounds show the strength of sonic synth?
I keep hearing about "child presets" but I have to admit, I don't have a clue what that is
How would you say that sampletank and sonic synth are different? I am looking for something new, but I don't want to buy sampletank repackaged
But if the sound sets are sufficiantly different from one another I might bite. over all, what kind of sounds show the strength of sonic synth?I keep hearing about "child presets" but I have to admit, I don't have a clue what that is
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 23 Jan, 2005 from Cydonia, Mars
They're very complimentary. I guess the simplest way to describe it is that ST provides the meat and potatoes, focusing primarily on acoustic/electric-types sounds with some synth stuff thrown in. SS gives you the bread and butter, focusing on synths and vintage keyboards with some "traditional" sounds thrown in. IMHO, a killer combination, making a diverse and great sounding workstation. Add the Miroslav and you'll really be cooking with fire.
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
From the point of view of drums (particularly hiphop drums), Sonik Synth 2 and SampleTank2 are very different. As you know, SampleTank2 has a selection of typical "genre" drums - a good variety across all different styles, but not a real focus on any particular style. The SampleTank2 drums also tend to be heavily processed at the sample level, meaning they sound "produced" right from the get go, but they're limited in how they can be tweaked.
Sonik Synth 2 on the other hand has stacks of drums (much more than SampleTank2), including a greater variety and focus on synthetic drums (drum machines etc) and hybrid drums. The samples in Sonik Synth 2 are also very raw (as I mentioned earlier), which means you need to put a bit of work into them to make them pump, but they're much more flexible.
If you're into hiphop, you'd love Sonik Synth 2 - also because it comes with a huge selection of synth sounds. It really is a gold mine.
Child Presets are like "variations" on a regular preset - with the same samples but perhaps different synth (filter/envelope/etc) settings or different effects.
Hope that helps.
-Kim.
Sonik Synth 2 on the other hand has stacks of drums (much more than SampleTank2), including a greater variety and focus on synthetic drums (drum machines etc) and hybrid drums. The samples in Sonik Synth 2 are also very raw (as I mentioned earlier), which means you need to put a bit of work into them to make them pump, but they're much more flexible.
If you're into hiphop, you'd love Sonik Synth 2 - also because it comes with a huge selection of synth sounds. It really is a gold mine.
Child Presets are like "variations" on a regular preset - with the same samples but perhaps different synth (filter/envelope/etc) settings or different effects.
Hope that helps.
-Kim.