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Baniev · Post by **Baniev** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:09 pm

It isn´t possible in FL Studio to automate the track bpm without reseting the effekts, is it? I ask this because i want do tracks that start slow and get faster like a few hallucinogen(Simon Posford) tunes, but if i write an event in the event editor for the bpm the delay stops and this sucks, ´do you know a way how to create this? If it isn´t possible FL Studio sucks and is limited.

wolf_of_badenoch · Post by **wolf_of_badenoch** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:16 pm

Yeah, my version doesn't even compose music for me. Too right it sucks. And so do all those bands that use real instruments instead of computers.

Baniev · Post by **Baniev** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:20 pm

wolf_of_badenoch wrote:Yeah, my version doesn't even compose music for me. Too right it sucks. And so do all those bands that use real instruments instead of computers.

WTF??? So it isn´t possible to automate the tempo setting

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:27 pm

I wrote a large post talking about how delay plugins were linked to tempo and used Classic Delay as an example, describing how automated tempo made calculation of constant delay 'echoes' difficult, etc. etc.

However, when push came to shove... I really just couldn't be arsed.

So, put simply:

Be using of Classic Delay find you for discover limited that being not ImageLine rather hosts being most of delay corruption that r being not limited. Alternatively, VST delay using you of being must "DELAY NOT SYNCED TO TEMPO" functionality.

Hope that clears things up...

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:30 pm

no problem here. delay keeps going while tempo is automated.

edit: what ceenda wrote. just tried it with tempo sync on and it really cuts the delay off.

Baniev · Post by **Baniev** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:33 pm

sQeetz wrote:no problem here. delay keeps going while tempo is automated.

which delay plugin do you use or do you use the delay of the channel settings > Func > Echo delay / fat mode?

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:34 pm

the new delaybank.
but ceenda nailed it: it only cuts off when your delay is tempo sync'ed

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:38 pm

Baniev: Use this Delay plugin instead and switch off the "SYNC" button.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1152.html

I don't know if the Fruity Delay (or Fruity Delay 2) allow you to switch off Sync. The new FL Delay Bank plugin in v6 might let you, but I haven't looked into it yet.

(btw, I wouldn't use the echo option in the channel. nothing bad about it, but you have a bit more flexibility by using a delay effect in a mixer channel. especially if you switch out a fruity plugin for a VST one and your echo channel options vanish)

Baniev · Post by **Baniev** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:41 pm

ceenda wrote:Baniev: Use this Delay plugin instead and switch off the "SYNC" button.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1152.html

I don't know if the Fruity Delay (or Fruity Delay 2) allow you to switch off Sync. The new FL Delay Bank plugin in v6 might let you, but I haven't looked into it yet.

thx in advance, but if the delay isn´t temposynced it wont get faster if i automate a faster bpm in FL so i must sinc the delay manual, isn´t it?

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:46 pm

Well, it's incredibly hard for the plugin to calculate an echo effect per-sample for a tempo that keeps increasing and decreasing randomly, so most don't support it.

Only other option (I think), is to render a section of song at regular tempo (with delay) and then speed up the rendered audio (if fruity's timestretching will let you do that).

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:03 pm

Baniev wrote:thx in advance, but if the delay isn´t temposynced it wont get faster if i automate a faster bpm in FL so i must sinc the delay manual, isn´t it?

if you want to adjust it manually you can calculate how much milliseconds is one step:

1000 / ( BPM / 15 )

so if the BPM is 80:

1000 / ( 80 / 15 ) =
1000 / 5.33333 =
187.5 ms

if the delay should be 2 steps the delay would be 375 ms, etc...

Baniev · Post by **Baniev** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:13 pm

ceenda wrote:Baniev: Use this Delay plugin instead and switch off the "SYNC" button.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1152.html

I don't know if the Fruity Delay (or Fruity Delay 2) allow you to switch off Sync. The new FL Delay Bank plugin in v6 might let you, but I haven't looked into it yet.

(btw, I wouldn't use the echo option in the channel. nothing bad about it, but you have a bit more flexibility by using a delay effect in a mixer channel. especially if you switch out a fruity plugin for a VST one and your echo channel options vanish)

The plugins of this developer that you linked are great, i have the classic eq alzo and find them really "classic"

, i like that in the classic eq you can set the frequencies for right and left, most eq´s i´ve seen havn´t this option.
Oh and if the delay is sinced to time it don´t stop so i musn´t automate the speed of the delay, thanks.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:15 pm

Baniev wrote:
wolf_of_badenoch wrote:Yeah, my version doesn't even compose music for me. Too right it sucks. And so do all those bands that use real instruments instead of computers.
WTF??? So it isn´t possible to automate the tempo setting

why do you judge in your questions? If you have a problem, instead of saying "if FL doesn't do this it sucks". Why not just ask the question? Some people might read that and give you the wrong answer just to be a jerk...just a tad bit of advice.

Anyhow about automation, anything in FL that can be automated is marked by a red circle in the info window underneath the menu choices (file, edit, channels ect) when you hover you cursor over that parameter. In this case yes coarse tempo is automatable but not the fine tempo (try it hover over the tempo window with your cursor, then hover over the fine tempo and you will see the red circle when you're over the coarse and it will vanish when move to the fine. This is true throughout FL and is very useful.

While you're at it (because I missed at firts too) try right clicking the coarse tempo, you get a menu with automation clip, link to controller, start song with this position, event editor, some tempos, a tap tempo.

Baniev, I know you're young, but attacking something because you don't understand it is a habit you should break imo, it just creates animosity..

SYounghouse · Post by **SYounghouse** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:32 pm

another possibility if you're using a synth (as opposed to an audio track) is to copy the MIDI information a set # of steps delayed from the first set, at a reduced level (or clone the channel, and then send it through another mixer track with a lower volume setting). The MIDI info will then track with the tempo. Of course, if you are delaying a lot of instruments that technique will become tedious, and probably CPU-intensive, to implement.

FL Studio bpm question?