I don't own the IR-1, but downloaded some of their free IRs at http://www.acoustics.net/content.asp?id=49. But I can't seem to use them, since they're recorded at extremely loud levels - even at the lowest 'wet' setting in the convolution plug, they wildly overdrive the channel.
I'm not very knowledgeable about how IRs work, so could someone please explain to me why they are so much louder than other IRs? I know Waves have a forum, but registering there seems a hassle for this single question.
Why are the Waves IRs so loud?
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- KVRian
- 664 posts since 5 Jun, 2005
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 28 May, 2005
"even at the lowest 'wet' setting in the convolution plug, they wildly overdrive the channel"
I don't think so. At least they don't do it here. The plug is easily overdriven but that's a reality of any bit-integer algo. Also, yousing such a beast on inserts is a mistake one cannot afford.
I don't think so. At least they don't do it here. The plug is easily overdriven but that's a reality of any bit-integer algo. Also, yousing such a beast on inserts is a mistake one cannot afford.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 664 posts since 5 Jun, 2005
Like I said, I don't use the IR-1 for the IRs. I the convolution plug in the SonicBirth bundle, which is a rather primitive and 'beta' kind of thing but works okay with other freeware IRs I've found.
Again, can anyone tell me why the Waves IRs would be recorded so loud? When I open them in an audio editor like Audacity they both look and sound really distorted and maxed out.
Again, can anyone tell me why the Waves IRs would be recorded so loud? When I open them in an audio editor like Audacity they both look and sound really distorted and maxed out.
Because of CPU use?omo wrote:Also, yousing such a beast on inserts is a mistake one cannot afford.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
they're loud because they are stored using floating point which has no definition for a normalized range. using the range -1.0 to +1.0 severely limits the accuracy, while using greater ranges causes loss of finr scale accuracy due to float being a non-linear representation of numbers. if you have a problem with the amplitude.. simply open the data files up somewhere, normalize them to -1.0 ... +1.0, and thats all.
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 28 May, 2005
"Because of CPU use?"
CPU load and routing. Should be enough of a reason to understand that using inserts is wrong. Use inserts when you're not doing such creative stuff (like comps or may be eq) or when you're limited to a certain number of buses.
CPU load and routing. Should be enough of a reason to understand that using inserts is wrong. Use inserts when you're not doing such creative stuff (like comps or may be eq) or when you're limited to a certain number of buses.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
the reason inserts and sends are seperate consepts is because of the fact not all effects are linear. any true linear filter (effect, reverb, delay, etc) can be used as a send because it will behave in such a situation exactly as it would if it were applied as an insert and all the results summed.
non-linear filters such as a compressor or a distortion effect will sound different.
linear, cumulative, true: (a + b) * c = (a * c) + (b * c)
non-linear, non-cumulative, false: (a * b) + c = (a + c) * (b + c)
eq is usually linear.
non-linear filters such as a compressor or a distortion effect will sound different.
linear, cumulative, true: (a + b) * c = (a * c) + (b * c)
non-linear, non-cumulative, false: (a * b) + c = (a + c) * (b + c)
eq is usually linear.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 664 posts since 5 Jun, 2005
Sure, but I don't quite get how it relates to my question. I use the convo plug on a seperate return track with only 'wet' signal being routed to the master track.omo wrote:"Because of CPU use?"
CPU load and routing. Should be enough of a reason to understand that using inserts is wrong. Use inserts when you're not doing such creative stuff (like comps or may be eq) or when you're limited to a certain number of buses.
aciddose: thanks a lot, very informative.
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 28 May, 2005
krank, not to ovedrive the channel lower master out. hope this helps.
routing relates in the way of adjusting dry/wet balance because, if insert, it might be difficult to set the ratio exactly where you want it with hot IR. now, you sure get it.
to original question why they are so much louder, hm, let me guess
: 1)because they're recorded so much louder 2)normalized or 3)both.
linear or non-linear doesn't practicly matter. what matters is economics, routing, automation
routing relates in the way of adjusting dry/wet balance because, if insert, it might be difficult to set the ratio exactly where you want it with hot IR. now, you sure get it.
to original question why they are so much louder, hm, let me guess
: 1)because they're recorded so much louder 2)normalized or 3)both.linear or non-linear doesn't practicly matter. what matters is economics, routing, automation