KVR Audio

mike321 · Post by **mike321** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:48 pm

I use my PC for streaming with Raduga Radio Automation software that support DirectX plugins. I also can use VST plugins with de DX-VST Wrapper plugin. This way I can use it with audio processing.

I now found a better player for my streaming activities that is called OTSDJ, but this doens't support plugins, so no audio processing is possible.
Accept if there would be a host that would support DirectX plugins on the soundcards input.

This way I use one PC for automation and send the audio to a second pc that will do the processing.

So the question is realy...
Is there a way to use a PC as a stand-alone audio processing unit?
You put a dry signal into the soundcards input and the output of the soundcard will give me the signal that went though the plugins.

ChicagoCoup · Post by **ChicagoCoup** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:13 pm

Why the heck would you want to do that unless you got Some fiber optics there buddy the latency factor is going to be a bitch, unless you have a very bad-a** soundcard, and some fast CPU processing power, because the VST will also need some of that CPU and RAM for its memory and processing power, so it would be a waste to set up another bad boy unless U already have one, but latency, latency, latency, always rewmember that, depending on what you use to connect them...SPDIF Fiber optics would be pretty sweet, but no toslink or anything like that, you need some with some serious pipelines like firewire (6-pin) and your off!!! thats all.. basically its like having an audio card with a breakout box, only minus all the connectors and inputs and outputs, may i suggest using one of those, an audiocard with a breakout box like the EMU-1820 or EMU-1820m they have plenty of processing power on their DSP chip and an external audio processor with mic pre-amps and that new connector Nuetroniks (or something like that), where you can plug both a regular regular guitar cords or a mic jack (with or without phantom power-it comes with it) into the same jack...its pretty sweet and should accomadate all your needs, maybe i am totally off base...
U never spec'd out what your doing and what U have, and why U want to do this in the 1st place... Anyways keep on rockin bro...

mike321 · Post by **mike321** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:05 pm

thanks for your reply. Latency should be no problem these days.
At this moment I can easely use Raduga (which is also the Host for the DirectX/VST files) for playing MP3's and play them realtime on my soundcards output.

The PC and soundcard should be fast enough. So wy not use the PC as a stand alone audio processing unit?
The only thing you need is someone that writes a (host) program that does the following:
- Record the soundcards input. This should be no problem because it already excists (Total Recorder for example records "what you hear" and writes an MP3 to your disc realtime.)
- then redirect it to a Host that supports DirectX/VST plugins.
- and then send it to the output of you soundcard.

If your Hostprogram (every software that support VST plugins) can preview the result of the used audio plugin, someone should be able to do the same job for sound that is offered via the soundcards input.

Ofcourse I can buy an Audio Processing unit, but a PC should be able to do the same job.
Why is it possible to process WAV en MP3 realtime, but not on sound that is offered at the line in of your soundcard?
Because it's not digital but analog? Make is digital!

allofdrab · Post by **allofdrab** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:14 pm

The VST Host Winamp Bridge will let you process Mp3 files with VST plugins.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1946.html
"xTal is a DJ MP3/WAV Player/Mixer" VST plugin.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/829.html
Ableton Live 5 plays Mp3 files and is a VST plugin host.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/709.html
Other plugin hosts you may be interested in:
AudioMulch "real-time sound synthesis, music composition and performance-oriented audio processing."
http://www.audiomulch.com/
Bidule "Realtime Audio/MIDI/Spectral processing"
http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=35
EnergyXT "Modular MIDI and audio routing"
http://www.xt-hq.com/
These are my favorites, but there are others.

Does this help?
Or, did I misunderstand your question?

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:42 pm

what soundcard do you have and what are the specs of your PC, you may not even need a second computer...

jester700 · Post by **jester700** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:59 pm

Adobe's new Audition 2.0 supposedly does this.

OMU · Post by **OMU** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:28 pm

Cubase SX, not SE or SL, from v2 up, has the possibility to insert plugins directly on the input channel(s).

mike321 · Post by **mike321** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:41 pm

@VariKusBrainZ : I got a soundblaster Audigy and the PC is an AMD XP 2000 with 512MB, but I willing to upgrade or buy a new PC if necessary.

@allofdrab: I’m not looking for programs that can only host VST/DirectX plugins. These programs can only process the Mp3 files with the supported plugins. Raduga (http://www.raduga.net/editions.htm) for example is such a MP3 player that can load an DirectX plugin too, but it’s only for the MP3 files it plays itself.

What I’m looking for is a host program that supports plugins that processes the sound on my soundcards input.
This way I can use my favourite player (that doesn’t support plugins) on PC1, offer this to the soundcards input of a second PC and then let the plugin kick in.

I hope I was a bit clear and you all understand what I want.

ChicagoCoup · Post by **ChicagoCoup** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:53 pm

Listen guy.. Do you somehow think that having a dedicated audio processor connected to your already capable PC will help in performance??? Well, we really don't know if its a capable PC, don't be embarrassed if you have an old ass computer just put your specs down then we can help U better, Understand Now???, not being mean, just saying...
i have an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe Motherboard running an AMD 64Bit X2 4400+ with an Emu-1820m soundcard coupled with the new rosette 800... M-Audio Ozonic and Novation X-Station midi controllers, with many Sata Drives Smallest is 350GB all on Raid5...Its great!! Running Sonar 5 on it Rocks the House thats for sure!!! the Windows 64bit OS suxs ass but its fast as all hell thats about it, just really, really fast if you couple it with 4GB to 8GB of RAM and thats all its good for but thats Microscum for ya! i don't need another computer for dedicated audio processing. But my PC is pretty fast, i needed it so i could run MCE 2005 OS and record movies and stuff like that as well as shows i miss while i work, and the regular Windows XP Corporate edition i have on another drive and i use soooo many VST's just about all cakewalk,steinberg,sony,adobe,Native Instruments software.All updated and fully functional!!-Yeah!Got just about every program except Darbuka, i really want that- it looks super-sweet sounding, so i needed the extra juice, as well as RAM. Thats a major biggy, got 4GB of DDR400, so i can load about 15 absyths v3.01 and sonar5 rewired to reason3.1.4 rewired to Project5 version2 and i can still pull up MS Office 2003 outlook which also grabs MS word as your email editor and i had no clicks or pops or any latency whatsoever... i did that as a test then uninstalled MS office---Go cosair and AMD they ROCK!!! for all those wanting the new 64bit--Go, Go, Go!!!! Anyways i am rambling so answer us on your PC specs and we can be of more help, but WHY? is the big question we all want to know(on your original post)

"Just chillin like Bob Dylan on Penicillin like a Villian" -Me -Christopher

ChicagoCoup · Post by **ChicagoCoup** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:54 pm

sorry just read your post....

allofdrab · Post by **allofdrab** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:18 am

mike321 wrote:I’m not looking for programs that can only host VST/DirectX plugins. These programs can only process the Mp3 files with the supported plugins.

Incorrect.

mike321 wrote: What I’m looking for is a host program that supports plugins that processes the sound on my soundcards input.

I listed the three I use:

allofdrab wrote: AudioMulch "real-time sound synthesis, music composition and performance-oriented audio processing."
http://www.audiomulch.com/
Bidule "Realtime Audio/MIDI/Spectral processing"
http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option= ... 21&Itemid= 35
EnergyXT "Modular MIDI and audio routing"
http://www.xt-hq.com/

Also, keep in mind, there are other ways to move audio between programs (that don't require two computers).
Virtual Audio Cable is one way, that may help you.
http://www.ntonyx.com/vac.htm

ew · Post by ew » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:00 am

Any host that has audio ins can be used. Live5 can use mp3s as clips.

ew

allofdrab · Post by **allofdrab** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:17 am

I decided to try OtsDJ.
It didn't detect Virtual Audio Cable.

Oh well.
Are you really set on OtsDJ?
There are other "DJ apps" that do host VST plugins.
Have you tried djDecks?
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1766.html
or AtomixMP3?
http://www.atomixmp3.com/forum/topic.html?forum=33

I think you have other options, but I can't remember what they are.

anyway, best of luck.
aod

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:12 am

just to get this clear...what exactly do YOU do with Raduga, or what would you LIKE to do with it....maybe theres an app that does exactly what you want....we just dont know what you want to do.....

stag · Post by **stag** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:31 am

The man wants to save power, after recording a signal, voice, guitar whatever he can disconect noise gates, compressor, eq. ,amp sim, the convolution thingies whaetever, turn them off and get on with mixing the choon. I do it often with noise gates and compression\limiting, i never get enough of those.
On the old days lot of thing where ptinted as recorded and lots of great stuff was done.

Hosts that supports plugins on input soundcard