I need "Freeze" that works like this...

[Colonel Flashback]

1. Say i've got a vsti playing bar 9-16.
2. *Freeze*
3. i now would like to be able to move the frozen part around and/or make copies of it in the same track/lane. Being able to still do some volume automation on the same track would be nice as well.

No way to do this in my current host, Ableton Live.
AFAIK this isn't possible in SX either.
Does Sonar offer this (or any other host)?

[Lunch Money]

I believe at least one of the major sequencers does this... Sonar or Samplitude?

I think that just rendering that track at bars 9-16 would do it. "Freeze" is just a fancy name for "Render, but do it without additional menu options and auto-delete it when I'm done."

Greg

[Colonel Flashback]

i know it's just rendering...makes it even more mind-boggling when you look at the actual implementation of that feature in eg Live

[Lunch Money]

Live's rendering or its freeze? I have to admit, I'm not familiar with either.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

in samp you can trim a piece out and freeze it. -- and then move it and do whatever with it.

[speccyteccy]

Don't know whether it would help, but I use FL which doesn't have freeze per se, but you can render tracks.

What I do is clone the project - one for VST's and one for the rendered audio which eventually becomes the master project. I keep two instances of FL open most of the time (certainly the one with the audio to avoid having to load up the waves each time, but sometimes close the one with the VSTs in as some of them use CPU even when silent), and just copy stuff between the two.

FL's pattern based approach makes cloning and moving audio and automation clips a doddle, but I guess the same approach could be used in any host.

[Colonel Flashback]

Live's rendering or its freeze? I have to admit, I'm not familiar with either.

its freeze function. Once you freeze a track it's "dead". No more editing whatsoever possible.


@Jason Brian Merrill, thanks! that sounds good - gotta demo Samplitude.

@speccyteccy, thanks for the info but that sounds exactly like a scenario i'd trying to avoid.

[meister eder]

Live's rendering or its freeze? I have to admit, I'm not familiar with either.

its freeze function. Once you freeze a track it's "dead". No more editing whatsoever possible.

That's the purpose of the Freeze function (as the name suggests ). Logic acts the same here as Live, and I guess most other hosts as well. The difference between freezing and rendering/bouncing has been discussed a lot, so I won't repeat that here.

In Live, presupposed the part you want to "freeze" has no effects on it, just use the Consolidate function instead.

If, however you have effects on the part, then instead of rendering I would recommend re-recording it. I have always one track (let's call it the "RR-track") set up in Live, who's monitoring is set to off, and if I want to re-record something I just have to select the track that I want to re-record in the RR-track's input menu, arm the RR-track, and off we go!

Another possibility is to have your RR-track's input set to "Resampling" all the time. Then all you'd have to do is arm the RR-track, solo the track you want to re-record, and again off you go! But don't forget to set the master output to 0db first...


After all, what you are asking for is a "render in place" function, which I agree is missing in most of todays hosts (including Live and Logic, which I use).

[Colonel Flashback]

thanks for the info but i've read the manual...

do you know a host that offers "render in place"?

[Lunch Money]

Tracktion is pretty close-- if you use the "render and replace" function. But a few key differences make a freeze like the one you're suggesting more usable:

1. Easier recovery of the track or part being replaced by freeze
2. No need to worry about the file being renamed to something obscure like in T, because it's a freeze (temporary thing), not a render (which CAN be temporary, but is designed to be permanent).

Greg

[meister eder]

thanks for the info but i've read the manual...

I have not...

do you know a host that offers "render in place"?

Unfortunately no.

[bmanic]

Samplitude has by far the most comprehensive freeze of all the hosts. It can do all that you just asked for and probably much more. It treats freeze just like a rendered file except it remebers the settings. You can even freeze multiple objects on multiple tracks and then open the frozen files in SEPARATE projects where they are unfrozen, then edit them again and it will automatically update the frozen parts in the main project. You can even work side by side with the two projects open and go back and edit the freeze without really unfreezing it in the main project.

Sorry 'bout the confusing description but I'm slightly drunk.. I think.

- bManic

[Colonel Flashback]

Thanks again everyone, lots of good info!
I'll check out Samplitude and Tracktion now.
Live 6 is supposed to come out Q3 though - maybe i should just wait to see if they improve the "freezing". Mmmhh, in that case, sorry for wasting your time!

[kangul]

Well, looks that Podium can do freeze exactly like you said.
www.zynewave.com

[Colonel Flashback]

Thanks! I know i've tried Podium once but deleted it again very quickly, can't remember why though.
BTW i've been told Sonar 5 Freeze would also work the way i'd asked for in my first post.
So basically every host has good Freeze, only my beloved Ableton Live 5 has crappy freeze, grrrr.