KVR Audio

goodfella · Post by **goodfella** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:13 pm

I was just wondering if there's a plug-in of some kind that does the same as MIDI out channels in FL Studio but that at the same time has the capability of being asigned to a mixer track. For example, I use Hypersonic a lot and I asign MIDI channels to control the plug-in. But to eq, reverb, delay, or whatever processing I may need, I have to export the audio file and re-insert it as an audio clip... Yes, Hypersonic has built in effects and all that, but I prefer using other plugins I have for that purpose, which are more flexible, and I'm more familiarized with.
Thanks in advance...

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:18 pm

I don't understand. Can't you just use inserts on the tracks where the VST is returning it's sound (or add the FX directly to each track in the mixer)?

goodfella · Post by **goodfella** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:27 pm

kovacs wrote:I don't understand. Can't you just use inserts on the tracks where the VST is returning it's sound (or add the FX directly to each track in the mixer)?

Thank you for your comment... maybe I didn't explain well. The thing is that MIDI Out channels in FL Studio 3, 4, 5, or 6 can't be asigned to a mixer track. The only way for me right now is exporting the specific MIDI channel's audio to a .wav file and then re-inserting it in FL Studio but as an Audio clip which can be assigned to mixer tracks.
What I want to know is if there's any other way of assigning a MIDI Out channel to an FL Studio mixer track or if there's any plugin that can act as a MIDI Out channel and at the same time can be assigned to a mixer track.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:45 pm

2nd time you've asked this ...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... eae81d234b

you didn't respond to any answers , last time ...

and once again , i point out , that midi is not audio ...
route the audio from the vsti you are controlling w/ the midi-out to the mixer channels ...

peejunk · Post by **peejunk** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 pm

It doesen't work the way you figured it out, and you don't need anything more.

You just need to enable multiple channel outputs for the VSTi from the wrapper menu (top left corner), and find where in the plugin's own interface you can make different channels go to different outputs. Now if you set the VSTi to, say, channel 7, it's output channel 1 will go to channel 7, it's output 2 will go to channel 8 etc.

goodfella · Post by **goodfella** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:38 am

normal wrote:2nd time you've asked this ...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... eae81d234b

you didn't respond to any answers , last time ...

and once again , i point out , that midi is not audio ...
route the audio from the vsti you are controlling w/ the midi-out to the mixer channels ...

Perfect! Since I don't have the luxury of spending hours and hours on the internet, I forgot I posted the same thing twice. But anyway that's why I never replied because I didn't even knew I had posted this before.
Now returning to the topic, I know MIDI is not audio and I know I can route the synth to a mixer channel. But let's say I use Hypersonic 2... its 16 channels can be routed to 16 different MIDI Out Channels. Cool... but none of the 16 individual MIDI Channels can be routed to individual mixer channels. Instead, I can only route Hypersonic 2 as a whole to one mixer channel. If I apply effects, I will be applying the same effect to every single output from each of Hpersonic 2's channels... that's not the idea, the idea is to edit individualy each of the 16 outputs.
Hope this explanation brings light... thanks in advance to those that reply.

SonicBreeze · Post by **SonicBreeze** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:14 am

goodfella wrote:Instead, I can only route Hypersonic 2 as a whole to one mixer channel. If I apply effects, I will be applying the same effect to every single output from each of Hpersonic 2's channels... that's not the idea, the idea is to edit individualy each of the 16 outputs.
Hope this explanation brings light... thanks in advance to those that reply.

Dear goodfella,you are getting FL wrong.
Let me try to clarify the points mentioned in all the posts above.

If your VST plugin is multi-out(audio) capable then you get as many channels in FL mixer routed as the plugins capable of.
Say Hypersonic(i never used it, but for ex. NI Kontakt) gives you 16 outs so you have to route your 16 instrumrents audio-outs(in plugin to different outs from 1-16), I am not mentioning 16 midi channels here(they can be routed in midi-out). so this way hypersonic will be assigend to 16 different channel in the mixer. Mixer has nothing to do with 16 midi-outs. Midi-outs(FL) are used only for making patterns.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:25 am

hypersonic is multi-timbral , and can be configured for multiple audio outputs ...
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/760.html

FLS can accept , and route multiple audio output vsti ...

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:35 am

I think posting a tiny little .flp file demoing what you mean would be the best demonstration for this person should you be up to it.

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:58 am

Very Simply:

1. Load your instrument (Hypersonic), in the instrument wrapper, !NOT! into the mixer like you would with an effect.

2. Assign it a mixer channel... say Channel 10

3. Now enable multiple outs: pull down the menu in the Hypersonic wrapper and click it - This is in the same menu that allows you to load .fxb and .fxp presets. If an instrument is multi-timbral, then there is the option "Enable Multiple Outputs"

4. Now since you had assigned Hypersonic channel 10, the following mixer channels will each be used to house a single output from Hypersonic. In this case that means Channel 10-25 will each have one output from hypersonic if it has 16 out multi-timbral capability.

If you load your instrument into the mixer like an effect and need to use MIDI out, you will not get the option to enable multiple outs and make the most of the mixer.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:09 pm

Ah I didn't quite understand where he was confused and now I see.
A cogent explanation.
Did you catch this explanation, goodfella?

goodfella · Post by **goodfella** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:13 pm

Thank you all... now I really understand... I don{t have to use MIDI Out Channels for nothing else than editing patterns... I can route outputs to mixer channels directly using the "enable multiple outputs" option, which I didn't knew existed but now thanks to all your posts I do. Thanks a lot to everyone, you have been of great help!!!

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