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evileye · Post by **evileye** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:15 pm

i have been looking for a host for a number of weeks now i like ableton 5 but am a bit worried is not up to the job and the cpu issue at the moment i mainly use vst's and i dont really record anything as i have no hardware.I have also been looking at cubase se i would like sx but cant justify spending that much for home use and if it has all i need i dont think i need to. Im off to new york in april so i figured i would get it there from a guitar centre or somthing. Is cubase se more geared to midi arangment?
please help me out guys
thanks

aallvor · Post by **aallvor** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:38 pm

evileye wrote:i have been looking for a host for a number of weeks now i like ableton 5 but am a bit worried is not up to the job and the cpu issue at the moment i mainly use vst's and i dont really record anything as i have no hardware.I have also been looking at cubase se i would like sx but cant justify spending that much for home use and if it has all i need i dont think i need to. Im off to new york in april so i figured i would get it there from a guitar centre or somthing. Is cubase se more geared to midi arangment?
please help me out guys
thanks

They're very different, so I suggest you try both of them thoroughly. You say you're worried that Live won't be up to the job, what features do you think it lacks?

If you're a beginner, Live is 10x more fun and, importantly, easy to use than more conventional sequencers like Logic and Cubase, which is , I guess, more geared towards midi use, although I wouldn't say Live is directly lacking in that department.

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BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:41 pm

Live has f**k-all of interest to me, its very much geared towards a particular kind of music and live performance thereof. So unless that's what you're into, you may well find it lacking in features and focus.

I would suggest you have a long look at EnergyXT, it is obscenely inexpensive and incredibly powerful. There are plenty of great resources to get you started, including some very good Flash demo's at www.xt-hq.com that will open your eyes to it's potential.

evileye · Post by **evileye** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:48 pm

i would try cubase se but i cant find a demo. i dont think live is lack anything its just the cpu thing really and looks a little diffrent from cubase . i surpose dont judge a book by its cover eh lol

aallvor · Post by **aallvor** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:55 pm

What's this cpu thing? I think it's the right app for you, since it's so easy to use. It doesn't get in the way, there's practically no learning curve. Coldcut and Daft Punk use it, if that helps

evileye · Post by **evileye** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:03 am

lol yeah i know they have a bit more money than me to blow companys give them the software
i just wanna make sure im buying the right thing i guess

aallvor · Post by **aallvor** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:13 am

Well there's only one way to find out, extensively demo'ing! eXT is also excellent btw

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:41 am

hvae you tried FL Studio?? it's great for MIDI and the demo is terrific as well

it's mot that expensive either

evileye · Post by **evileye** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:48 am

yeah i bought the producer edition a while ago im not keen on the whole pattern based thing

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:52 am

psst ext

aallvor · Post by **aallvor** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:08 pm

Yeah, eXT is really great, and practically free for what you get!

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:52 pm

evileye wrote:yeah i bought the producer edition a while ago im not keen on the whole pattern based thing

You dont have to use patterns.

Here, I'll show you in 4 steps:

1. Toggle song mode.
2. Hit record.
3. Hit play
4. Play your keys...

Now your flstudio is a linear editor. Of course you have to use the piano roll now to edit, but that's what you get in a linear editor anyway yea? The playlist draws as you record but it's a snap to right click to zap the guy away for a clean slate

Seriously try it out. Also you can have the best of both worlds in FL using it's live mode to create an arrangement -- here you define patterns (do not worry about the playlist) -- and these "patterns" can be endlessly long linear piano rolls, etc, or the step seq variety. In this manner when working in song mode with a single long linear string of data, you are working in the same context as a "track" in the other hosts because a track is a single "pattern" of data.

Then when you are finished building your music (naming them as you go of course

, you enable live mode, hit record, and play. then trigger the patterns as you want them to be added to the playlist creating an impromptu composition using the same concept as ableton live.

"but I cannot play all the patterns I want to hear simultaneously in the song, as I have only x number of hands, fingers, and toes!" : it is an iterative approach to composition, simply do the ones you can reach/handle each pass, building up to the final result. The same way you would automate a zillion things -- one by one by one.

Pretty simple, and the best part is you don't have to spend any money. If you want to see another piano roll of notes that relate to the one you want to edit, enable ghost mode and the notes will show semi-transparently and uneditable behind the ones you are working on.

FL can be pretty flexible to workflow. You just have to think outside of the obvious box.

alargechicken · Post by **alargechicken** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:02 am

Yeah dude, get FL Studio. flstudio.com. AWSOME. I don't think you'll ever need anything but FL studio. Seriously, I don't think that cubase and reason (I've tried both) are as good. Download the demo on their site and play with it for a couple of days. You'll love it.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:22 am

Are you stupid? Obviously you like Fruity so you can't be too smart but if you bothered to read the f**king posts you would see that the guy already has Fruity and it doesn't suit his needs. Moron! What a great f**king advertisement for Fruity you are.

arke · Post by **arke** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:42 am

still no further forward