guitar rig presets

[idrisguitar]

they aren;t the best i must say. but i am finding it hard making my own and having them actually turn out well.

i do instrtumental music so a nice slightly distoreted solo tone and maybe a good delay tone, (would do for lead) and a light yet noticable distortion for powerchords, for those emotional endings.

i have tried creatin all these three without success.

basically my question is are they any good sites that have good user made presets? (i have checked the native instruments website and there are a few, but not as many as i thought ther emight have been.)

or do you have any tips on creating a sound in guitar rig?

[ew]

Sascha Franck and I give a couple tips on what we've found works with GR in this thread.

ew

[Hink]

why is it that presets have made getting your tone seem as complicated as synthesis? No offense to anyone is intended, but I am so shocked that it has come to this. I don't really care what I'm using, if it can create the sund, I can dial it in. I would never use presets for my guitar tone, if not for any other reason besides the fact that what the designer of the preset hears and what I hear isn't always the same. Personally I think it's yet another example of learning to run before you learn to walk. IMHO if you can't create your own guitar tones (from an amp, sim, whatever) and understand what goes into creating them...you're stuck in the novice phase of learning until you do.

I guess that's because many of us started playing bfore there were lots of options and we had to be creative to get what we wanted...I once as a kid used the pre-amp for adapting ceramic cartridges to magnetic cartridges (phono) as a fuzz box...I also used my 8-track recorder (cartridge type, not multitracking) and pegged the meters for fuzz.

It's odd to me to rely on presets for tone, I guess I'm just a tweak head ...learn it, live it...love it...

[ew]

Personally I think it's yet another example of learning to run before you learn to walk. IMHO if you can't create your own guitar tones (from an amp, sim, whatever) and understand what goes into creating them...you're stuck in the novice phase of learning until you do.

That's the issue in a nutshell, sir

ew

[Sickle]

Personally I think it's yet another example of learning to run before you learn to walk. IMHO if you can't create your own guitar tones (from an amp, sim, whatever) and understand what goes into creating them...you're stuck in the novice phase of learning until you do.

That's the issue in a nutshell, sir

ew

Yeah, that and guitar, strings, pick used, playing style, pickups, DI interface..

What a disaster. It's almost like every preset someone makes is destined to fail in another users hands. This is why I haven't bothered sharing any of my own GR 2 presets. They work for me great, but they're built by me FOR me, and I don't expect them to work in a different set-up.

Hit the 'New' button and start experimenting. Forget about the existing presets; they're only there to show you what's possible.

[Hink]

Personally I think it's yet another example of learning to run before you learn to walk. IMHO if you can't create your own guitar tones (from an amp, sim, whatever) and understand what goes into creating them...you're stuck in the novice phase of learning until you do.

That's the issue in a nutshell, sir

ew

Yeah, that and guitar, strings, pick used, playing style, pickups, DI interface..

What a disaster. It's almost like every preset someone makes is destined to fail in another users hands. This is why I haven't bothered sharing any of my own GR 2 presets. They work for me great, but they're built by me FOR me, and I don't expect them to work in a different set-up.

Hit the 'New' button and start experimenting. Forget about the existing presets; they're only there to show you what's possible.

yeah. imo presets are for recalling the exact settings you used in a recording in case you later go back and redo a part (note for me that has yet to include re-amping)...

[SJ_Digriz]

The only quibble I have with your statements Hink is that I can easily dial amps and stomps to get what I want. I run straight into an amp 90% of the time. No effects and I can get bazzillions of sounds that I want easily. It deffinetley could be an issue of learning to baby walk with the amp sims, but I have a difficult time using them and getting a pleasing results. I've said before though, that it could be an equipment/DI issue that is hindering me. I just haven't had the time or inclination to puruse a solution as of yet.

But, I %100 agree that using other peoples presets is of very little value.

[Hink]

The only quibble I have with your statements Hink is that I can easily dial amps and stomps to get what I want. I run straight into an amp 90% of the time. No effects and I can get bazzillions of sounds that I want easily. It deffinetley could be an issue of learning to baby walk with the amp sims, but I have a difficult time using them and getting a pleasing results. I've said before though, that it could be an equipment/DI issue that is hindering me. I just haven't had the time or inclination to puruse a solution as of yet.

But, I %100 agree that using other peoples presets is of very little value.

I do have to admit with even PODS there is a bigger learning curve than amps. FWIW for years on one of my guitars I had "8NEFX" in big letters (ain't any effects), I too was always direct into an amp, (or into an od before I went active). That's probably why it took me so long to get my first POD and I stuck with the sansamp. The xt live took me very little time to get use to, even though my stomp box experience isn't huge. I've tried about everything in the book a bunch of times, but the only stom box besides the sansamp I have is an original boss CH1, but I use that just for the quasi-stereo output.

When I demo an amp I can determine if it's for me in a few minutes. But you're right, it would take longer to demo a sim just because of how much there is to it...so you have a good point...

[SJ_Digriz]

FWIW for years on one of my guitars I had "8NEFX" in big letters (ain't any effects),

now that's funny. Back in the day I could pinch harmonics while rolling the neck pickup tone knob with my pinky. Kind of a poor mans whah effect. People used to ask me what pedal made that sound.

[idrisguitar]

okay ill check it out and try and create my own tones.

i just sometimes get overwhelmed and find myself spedning an hour one something which turn otu horrible.

i hope it gets better with time.

[SJ_Digriz]

okay ill check it out and try and create my own tones.
i just sometimes get overwhelmed and find myself spedning an hour one something which turn otu horrible.
i hope it gets better with time.

The best recommendation I can make for building tones is to KEEP IT SIMPLE. Start with just an amp. Bypass the cabs and don't worry about the effects. Work through how a single amp sounds from low volume to high, how the eq effects the sound, how the gain works as you increase it. Technically, you should be able to get a great sound with just that. Once you know how the amp works, click on a cab and do it all over again. Then switch cabs and do it all over. Once you find a good amp/cab combo. THEN you can start adding effects. However, I am from the "less is more" side of the fence when it comes to guitar effects.

[Sickle]

i just sometimes get overwhelmed and find myself spedning an hour one something which turn otu horrible.

Good. That's how it's supposed to work, man. Success is by no means measured by achievements only. If it helps you feel better I dial up stuff all the time that ends up in the bin, even after a few minutes earlier it was a great patch..When you find something you like, even remotely, SAVE IT. Don't work over it, hit the append button so you don't lose it.

Don't forget Guitar Rig's also got multiple-undo.

[feyshay]

The presets in most of these sims (including the POD XT Live) were relatively useless to me (except some of the really clean presets). Of course, that might be just a limitation of simulated distortion. I think the presets are meant to try to impress with variability and versatility and thus are overdone. One consideration is to take some of those presets and tone them down.
I have generally relied on most of the cleanish sounds from these simulated amps and not so much on distortion. Digriz's recommendations above are very good ones. I've also been using analog pedals before the DI and soundcard to get some effects and distortion. I've also been using a Kurzweil KSP8 for some of the effects, which are superior to those within GR2.

[metalifuxx]

There is a Guitar Rig yahoo group, as well as Amplitube, and V-Amp that im apart of. People there are very helpful and there are some shared presets there available for download.

[Hink]

shred= high gain, boost mids, boost highs
(put the treble 7-9 and presence a little higher than the treble), toy with the bass between about 4-6 (give or take), just a hint of reverb (really lite on the verb I find best) and an overdrive before it is nice (boost the drive and attenuate with the gain)...at least that's about where I would start...