For this one, try our "widening" equalizers product, they have been developped for this purpose. You can choose to increase/decrease any frequency in the mid or side channels of the stereo signal, which lets you basically choose for which frequency you want to expand or decrease the stereo perception. Since you can also choose the location of the center of the stereo field from left to right, you can further more place any frequency range to any place in the stereo field... It is simple yet very powerful.- stereo expansion according to frequency (bass more centeralized, highs are more expanded, etc.)
Almost this, since you are also able to change the position of the "virtual" center. Its a bit more than regular Mid/Side.Mid/Side EQing looks interesting. i guess, you derive the mono-sum and the respective difference-signals for left and right, equalize these three signals and put them back together?
It's similar, as long as the sum of your 3 signals is always equal to the initial signal when their level is equal. It might not be the case, depending on the method you use to split your signal. If your split is conservative, since all the operations you are performing on the signal are linear the result is even equivalent.a different approach of widening is implemented in my Stereo-Enhancer freebee - i first split the signal into three bands, derive the mono-sum and the difference-signals for the bands individually, adjust their relative levels and put them back together.
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Very basic stuff here, but does not explain when/how to use it:Not to hijack, but does anyone know of any good explanations/discussion/tutorials on mid-side mixing? I understand the basic premise, but have no clue how or when to implement this in mixes, or how it would be an advantage?
Thanks, Bluecat. I guess what I find most confusing is when you need it. I remember I listened to one of Kingston's tunes, and it just sounded really wild - he's really into M/S processing - and I wonder: if it's so cool, how come everybody doesn't use it all the time? And doesn't the processing disappear in mono?bluecatonline wrote:Very basic stuff here, but does not explain when/how to use it:Not to hijack, but does anyone know of any good explanations/discussion/tutorials on mid-side mixing? I understand the basic premise, but have no clue how or when to implement this in mixes, or how it would be an advantage?
http://software.bluecatonline.org//Vaul ... essing.pdf
Basically you can use it on a particular instrument to change the way it occupies the stereo space, or on a final mix (be very subtle in this case). But I think the best way is play a little bit with it and make your own opinion with it. As usual there is no rule, your ears and heart decide.
It's also very useful if you have several instrument son the same track (live recording or old audio recordings) and you want to move some instruments only in the stereo field.
It can be also applied on drum tracks to change the position of th evarious instruments of the drum set if you did not have enough mics to record it, you can also play with automation and create weird stereo moving effects.... It's up to you...
It really depends on your needs... Some of our cutomers just cannot help using it since they discovered it. As many techniques people like or do not like it. But from our sales figures it seems to become more and more popular...if it's so cool, how come everybody doesn't use it all the time?
. Just give it a try and it may give you some ideas.For sure it's useless for mono since you do not have stereo perception. But today the mood is to multi channel (5.1 or more...), 'mono' is a bit old fashioned...And doesn't the processing disappear in mono?
Right...interesting. I know mono is old-school, but you never know what you're delievery is going to be. I always check, just to make sure. I'll try out your gear, see what I can do with it. I look forward to Kingston's multiband/mid-side/analog/limiter thingy, that should be fun in the M/S world.bluecatonline wrote:It really depends on your needs... Some of our cutomers just cannot help using it since they discovered it. As many techniques people like or do not like it. But from our sales figures it seems to become more and more popular...if it's so cool, how come everybody doesn't use it all the time?
For sure it's useless for mono since you do not have stereo perception. But today the mood is to multi channel (5.1 or more...), 'mono' is a bit old fashioned...And doesn't the processing disappear in mono?
But the processing won't totally disappear in mono since you perform some equalization. All the eq processing on the Mid channel (if the virtual center corresponds to the real center) will be kept in mono; That's anoter application of Mid Side processing btw: you can manage what appears in the mono mix and what does not.
Especially with the increasing number of people listening to music on more or less crappy mp3 players... For sure your mix has to be listenable in mono, but you can do fancy stuff for the stereo versionI know mono is old-school, but you never know what you're delievery is going to be. I always check, just to make sure.
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