KVR Audio

Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:57 pm

Ive searched and searched but seems that no one ever tried to
extract the single-cycle waveforms from the wavetable of the
mighty Waldorf PPG Wave synthesizer. Anyone knows or has this ?

yul · Post by **yul** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:52 am

Good idea but I think that part of the PPG sound comes from the interpolation as well. That might be hard to emulate in software...But I think I have seen them floating around though.

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:37 am

Do keep in mind that if you find the original unaltered PPG wavetables, the waves will only be half a cycle long...the synth itself calculated the second half on playback. I think the Microwaves included full cycle versions. I seem to remember that longtime KVR member Crimsonwarlock found them somewhere. You might try asking on his forum: www.virtualsoundstudio.com

Good luck! Me, I'll just play my Wave 2.2...

Har · Post by **Har** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:01 am

I used to have these actually: if I remember right the old Waldorf website used to have a ZIP file available containing them all - was about 10MB, I think.

Looking but can't seem to find it on my drive - might have deleted them during some previous system cleaning, but I'll keep looking...

Har · Post by **Har** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:07 am

I think I found it! Well, it's the Waveterm library - miyht not be the same thing (probably not, now that I think about it...err, Scot? Correct me if I'm wrong?), but you can get it here:

http://www.ppg.synth.net/download.shtml

ew · Post by ew » Sat May 13, 2006 3:03 am

Not quite, Har. The Waveterm was a very early digital sampler. The tie in with the Wave is that you could edit and create wavetables for the Wave 2.3 with the Waveterm.

ew

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:34 am

ew is right. The Waveterm library is a factory selection of waves and samples that could be imported from the Waveterm into the PPGs. The Waveterm could do a lot more than sample...you could draw in your own waveforms and perform all kinds of neat functions. You could create your own wavetables and compose complex sequences as well. I would pay no small price for a Waveterm A to connect to my PPG Wave 2.2...I'd settle for a working version of the interminably in development Waveterm C...

Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:45 am

Ive found some "cassette dumps" but they sound like digital data - not in the form of the PPG wavetables. COME ON people, we _HAVE_ to find this and put it online once 'n' for all.

kurasu · Post by **kurasu** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:46 am

Have a look at their ftp-archive. http://waldorf.electro-music.com/

IIRC there are .wt files for the PPGs as well as sysex dumps for the microwave that you should be able to find in there. But then you'll also have to export them into something useful. I should have some matlab scripts that I used to convert those wavetables to the native fileformat I used in surge laying around somewhere.

coldmachine · Post by **coldmachine** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:27 am

Bear in mind that the Waldorf wavetables do not have all the slots filled so wavetable interpolation is a large part of the content. I own a Waldorf Wave and i can extract a wavetable from a sample and by manipulation of slot content and spacing madness can ensue. A table must have at least 5 references... 1st position and last 4. Last 3 being Tri Pulse and Saw. I know you asked obout PPG but these are similar and contain many of the original PPG and 2.2 tables. If you need further Waldorf info let me know.

All the data is available on the Waldorf site. All the WTs are freely available.
Another way to get the sound is the Scope platform. The Modular includes genuine Waldorf Oscs. I have a Synth built with 16 seperate Waldorf Oscs per voice each with individually selectable (a la Wave) not shared WTs. With seperate Envs and all sorts of mod options. Other than portability and user WT creation it blows even a Wave away. Sound designers dream.

Scot...They are full single cycle waves

Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:06 pm

Well, Coldmachine, could you extract the ppg wave wavetables ? I dont know how else i can get hold
of it.

greetz

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:16 pm

coldmachine wrote:I have a Synth built with 16 seperate Waldorf Oscs per voice each with individually selectable (a la Wave) not shared WTs. With seperate Envs and all sorts of mod options. Other than portability and user WT creation it blows even a Wave away. Sound designers dream.

Sounds very nice - is it going to be in the user library at some point?

BTW I got Celmo's Blue Wave recently - best PPG sounds I've heard - have you tried it?

coldmachine · Post by **coldmachine** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:08 pm

Timbre....Wouldnt have time.... Full time recording in SMS in NY at the mo, then have 2 remixes and sound design for a new film...Dont know if its possible to extract the data. If it is or if you just need HQ audio renders then visit Planet Z, dudes there will help if possible

aMUSEDd... Yes and no. Time issues aside, I use 2 dedicated CW machines one with 3 Scopes one with 2 (75DSPs) and some of my instruments are pretty heavy on the chip count.This particular instrument is my baby and has been tweaked continually over the years and has been used on many projects.Prior to going out of operation i had met with Waldorf when on tour in Germany to discuss a new Hardware monster to replace the Wave and had given ideas from this instrument. However I intend do create a 4 Osc version as load times piss me off so I will be making one at some point. I may leave out the Adern modules as i dont know what the uptake is, I would be willing to throw that open to the user library . If you are interested in that type of sound try Quantum Wave or Solaris. I didnt try Blue wave as I have QW and Solaris. When I get some free time I intend to look at every new Scope plug as see whats cool. I've managed to clue a few people on our label and others we've worked with to the possibilies of the platform.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:23 pm

I have Solaris and use it a lot with John Bowen's customised Adern modules and the RD ones but I find Quantum Wave (demo) is too DSP intensive even on my 9 dsp system - I have been building some of my own Waldorf osc based Modular patches though and you can get quite a lot of voices out of them.

You should check out the Celmo one - very different from JB's creations and very much a players synth as opposed to a sound designers one (I like both dimensions).

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun May 14, 2006 6:33 pm

Scot Solida wrote:I seem to remember that longtime KVR member Crimsonwarlock found them somewhere.

I'm sorry to say that I don't have them (if I recall correctly). What I did find was the description of the wavetables:
PPG Wavetable descriptions

Hey Scot, great to see your registration at VSS

wanted : Wavetable dump of Walforf PPG Wave synth