KVR Audio

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Sun May 28, 2006 9:21 pm

Does anyone know of another plugin that does what Senderella does? I'm having some trouble with saved projects using it in FL, and it doesn't like to be "smart" disabled. Sometimes all other plugins following it can stop functioning.

I know someone's going to say that in FL any channel can act as a send channel, but I believe that to be only partially true. There is at least one limitation I have come across trying to use regular channels to act as sends. I'm willing to demonstrate it, but I'll just try to explain it quickly:

There's an added benefit to still be you using the send PLUGIN because: everything above the send plugin is redirected, but you can still add effects below the send channel that will not be present in the redirected signal.

So if you placed a simple volume slider beneath the send plugin, it will still send the full signal to a send CHANNEL, but the original signal can be muted below the send plugin or effectuated in many other ways. Regular mixer channels can't do this, and simple routing won't work either, because if you reduce the volume on the original signal, then it is quiet everywhere it has been redirected - KAPISH?? [/list]

Spyro · Post by **Spyro** » Mon May 29, 2006 2:52 am

in FL any channel can act as a send channel

Seriously.

There are others, but I'm afraid senderella beats them all.

Jaltoh's "Jsoundbus" http://geocities.com/asenov_z/main.html

Tobybear "MixBox" www.tobybear.de

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Mon May 29, 2006 3:52 am

Thank you Spyro!... you're saying, and I thank you for our patience, that I can get the IDENTICAL function of a send from any other channel. I know you can route as many channels as you want to any given channel, and for simple group effects that's simple enough. BUT as I explained in my first post, there is one thing you can do with the send plugin that I have not been able to accomplish with any other routing options.

If anyone understands the initial post and can explain to me how it's done, I would be a very happy lad

, Otherwise... by tommorow night I'll put up a couple of flp's to demonstrate exactly what I'm talking about. I can't belive I missed this super dooper feature in FL... CHEERS!!!!

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:06 am

If I understand you correctly, the key thing to remember is that you can route any channel to the master out or not.

So, for instance. put a synth on channel 5.
turn the channel 5 to master volume OFF
turn 5 to 4 ON
turn 5 to 3 ON.

Now channel 5 plays an unaffected sound that you hear in 3 and 4. Leave 5 dry and build your fx chain on the channels you send it to. The trick is turning the master out channel off so that it is a dry signal that doesn't play, and then routing it to other channels.

I think....

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:22 am

Thanks ouroboros

but I'm aware of the ability to turn channel master output off. That's pretty simple, but it's not what I meant.

I was trying to do something that lead me to find this shortcoming, so PLEASE be patient with me. I know I'm not making alot of sense unless you see what I'm talking about or know what I was trying to do. So I think as I stated earlier, I will post an flp hopefully by Monday night. It's going to be a a little tricky to illustrate and unfortunately the weekend's over. Hasta luego!

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:26 am

Yeah, do post and we'll see what we can figure out --the one thing about FL is there are 3 different ways to do the same thing sometimes.
cheers!

Spyro · Post by **Spyro** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:01 am

FL mixer channels cannot route signal in-between a plugin chain, that's what you need right? ability to route a signal before it reaches a certain point in the plugins chain.

You can use the FL send plug, but yeah, only works with the four send channels.

That's why I keep senderella on my arsenal. It works fine on my machine, the only problem I found with it is when using FL rewired into Ableton Live it refuses to load (in FL) most of the time.

Don't smart disable it, after all it uses very little CPU power.

Space Boy · Post by **Space Boy** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:03 am

You might like to try Elevayta Stream Boy

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2049.html

Spyro · Post by **Spyro** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:24 am

Oh yeah, I forgot that one, thanks man.

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Mon May 29, 2006 8:42 am

Spyro wrote:FL mixer channels cannot route signal in-between a plugin chain, that's what you need right? ability to route a signal before it reaches a certain point in the plugins chain.

You can use the FL send plug, but yeah, only works with the four send channels.

That's why I keep senderella on my arsenal. It works fine on my machine, the only problem I found with it is when using FL rewired into Ableton Live it refuses to load (in FL) most of the time.

Don't smart disable it, after all it uses very little CPU power.

YES!!!!YES!!!!YES!!!!! That is precisely what I meant. Thank you Mr. Spyro!! Senderella functions just as well as the send plugin, but upon reloading, it resets, and anything following it in the chain simply doesn't work anymore. I love this extra function; maybe saving mixer states might work, but a pain in the butt.

There's something I need to add to the missing in FL thread; just one or two more send *OR* the ability to turn any channel into a full send channel using the send plugin. Sweet... I thought I was an absolute moron not seeing how that could work in FL. Thanks again Spyro!!

Spyro · Post by **Spyro** » Mon May 29, 2006 2:58 pm

Did you tried StreamBoy by any chance? I didnt, but elevayta stuff is great, I bought convoboy from them.

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Mon May 29, 2006 5:15 pm

I'm definately going to try the Steamboy this weekend. At that price, it would be more that worth it. If you run into a situation where you'd like to use this true send function, it means that you lose one send channel to work a single event. I'd like to reserve sends for sends, and still be able to do the inter-chain routing once in a while. Will give the Steamboy a try...

justified · Post by **justified** » Mon May 29, 2006 8:04 pm

I think you guys didn't read ouroboros's post carefully.

TRN76 · Post by **TRN76** » Mon May 29, 2006 8:26 pm

Listen to justified, and look at what ouroboros is saying.
I've done this before: Route one track to 2 other tracks, and then you can take one of those tracks and route to yet another (or two) other tracks...
In other words:
If you wanne use the "send" in the middle of the effect chain then just insert those effects you wanne apply before you use send, now route it to two tracks. There you have it, 2 tracks for you to modulate furter (and you can turn one of them to send if you wish).
...did that make any sense? A bit hard to explain

If not, I'll post a fruityfile for you!

Good luck

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:45 pm

Here is a link to a small example for those of you who are still confused about what I'm saying here. It'll clear this up completely for you. It's a very simple interactive tutorial, I guess, just follow the instructions to a tee. Enjoy!!!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EQAIRJUI

EDIT: Everything is native to FL so no samples or whatever needed...

Senderella Options for FL