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jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:15 pm

RVox made my rap vocals sound wonderful. I liked the loudness, compression, how it sat in the mix and the overal tone. Voxformer made my vocals sound noisy and I couldn't get a good balance of compression and gain without noise and then clipping. What is the closest freeware option to getting something like RVox. Thanks.

kL · Post by kL » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:33 pm

That is an experience I could't even imagine recreating. In fact, I think it's the first time I ever heard a negative word about Voxformer -- especially not from any of the dozens of vocalists I've used it on.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:36 pm

lol agreed voxformer kix ass-

rap vocals. *roll eyes*

jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:52 pm

Sorry, thanks for the help.

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:09 am

Waves Musicians Bundle was mentioned here several times - if you like Waves RVox that's the cheapest option I suppose?

But on your experience with Voxformer I wanted to say that you'll probably need to check presets first - they were created using real vocal material and were tuned to sound good - not noisy or otherwise. Another obvious problem is the noise level - this is especially true if you are recording right into your soundcard's mic input. For best results you need an external microphone pre-amplifier. Plus a good mic (if you are on budget you may try Shure SM58). For really cheap, but working mic pre-amp you may try Behringer 2 mic mixer with 'invisible' pre-amps. Of course, you'll need a 'better than multimedia' soundcard with line input. EMU sells cheap-but-not-awful soundcards. Or you may just get some USB audiocard (like M-Audio one).

AFAIK, there are no other freeware options to these vocal-suited compressors.

scius · Post by **scius** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:15 am

Personally I think Voxformer sounds great, but RVox sounds much better. As far as freeware options, you could check out BLOCKFISH - may do OK for hard rap vocals.

If you don't have the money for RVox, you could go with Voxformer. If you're using it correctly on a good source you should be pleased with what you hear.

Although personal taste varies.

AVBunyan · Post by **AVBunyan** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:23 am

scius wrote:If you don't have the money for RVox, you could go with Voxformer. If you're using it correctly on a good source you should be pleased with what you hear.
Although personal taste varies.

I agree - though I also like RVox I agree that Aleksey's Voxformer is also a great vocal product - give Aleksey's tips a go and then try his Voxformer again - I believe you find his Voxformer a great friend to your vocals.

You will find no better support than Aleksey before and after you buy his products -

Go forit - best wishes!

Ixox · Post by **Ixox** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:37 am

scius wrote:As far as freeware options, you could check out BLOCKFISH - may do OK for hard rap vocals.

To replace VoxFormer you'll need also FLOORFISH (gate), SPITFISH (de-esser), an EQ, a saturator and a presence enhancer (less usefull than the rest to my opinion).
Even with all that, that won't replace the 2 comps in Voxformer that you can easily configurate.
Have i said i love VoxFormer ?

"Noise and clipping" make me think you don't use it correctly.

Xavier

jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:50 am

Thanks for the replies. Aleksey actually it seems you may have had a peako in my lab because that is exactly what I'm working with. The Voxformer add a type of electric noise that I do not hear in my material otherwise. The rap presets sound kinda like going toward the telephone sound.

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:56 pm

jmbriley,

funny, but I've came to conclusion that's the cheapest set of tools that can still sound decent. Electric noise is AC line noise. I'm using Furman PL-8E AC line filter - it gives an enourmous difference with some equipment. Decreases both background hiss and AC line harmonics.

To get more control over Voxformer compression I suggest you to use In gain and Out gain controls. If your signal is quiet use In Gain *before* touching any controls.

jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:02 pm

Ok I'll try it. Thanks AV

jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:09 pm

You know what in all the time I spent demoing Voxformer I do not think I have touched the In Gain. Boy I can't wait to get back home to see what I possibly am missing. Thanks man. Why do I get the feeling you are trying to help me use your product and not just sell me your product. Oh I know why, that's the product of good customer service.

Barbarossa · Post by **Barbarossa** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:18 pm

I like Yamaha's Vocal Rack VST. The harmonic enhancer ist quite good.

Ixox · Post by **Ixox** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:36 pm

jmbriley wrote:You know what in all the time I spent demoing Voxformer I do not think I have touched the In Gain. Boy I can't wait to get back home to see what I possibly am missing.

As there is no separate threshold on the compressors, you missed a correct setting of the compressors...

Suggestions :
Use the "softer than silk" preset...
Turn down the "presence gain" knob... I fid it is set really to high.
Adjust the Gain in, to make the compressor work a little. (You may see only the low frequency one working.)
Turn the de-esser knob so that it shows some activity when you hear "s" but as less as possible in other case.
Then the gain out to have the volume you want.
Eventually, remove the high cut in the EQ.
You'll hear what VoxFormer can do.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:56 pm

rpc9943 wrote:rap vocals. *roll eyes*

grow up.

I demo'ed RVox and Voxformer