after everything else, who likes Live 5?
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Chuck E. Jesus Chuck E. Jesus https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108246
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- 7301 posts since 23 May, 2006 from in between a cornfield and a river
i ask this because after looking at the M-Audio vids online, it looks like one of the most intuitive and easy hosts....i'm not familiar with all the freebes, or the trackers...i've mostly used T2, Protools, and StudioVision (back in the day), but L5 seems to have a lot goin for it....i want to record some live music, but mostly do midi with analog synths and samplers, some desktop digi synths, and organize the whole mess, including a fair amount of electro housey type stuff....waddaya think from your experience?
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- KVRAF
- 2344 posts since 8 Jul, 2002 from Limerick, Ireland
I REALLY like it for guitar tracking!
I wish the midi side of things were different but as it is I'd give it a 9/10...
HTH
Dave
I wish the midi side of things were different but as it is I'd give it a 9/10...
HTH
Dave
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Chuck E. Jesus Chuck E. Jesus https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108246
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- 7301 posts since 23 May, 2006 from in between a cornfield and a river
uuuhhhh...me?undef wrote:[1]tried it -> [2] did't like it - [3] returned to eXT - [4] tried it again -> [2] (but who cares)
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Chuck E. Jesus Chuck E. Jesus https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108246
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- 7301 posts since 23 May, 2006 from in between a cornfield and a river
mckenic wrote:I REALLY like it for guitar tracking!
I wish the midi side of things were different but as it is I'd give it a 9/10...
HTH
Dave
what's wrong with the midi?
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- KVRAF
- 27000 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I tried it, liked some things about it, was not that interested and have slowly liked it more and more.
I went from Cubase to Tracktion (with a detour into DPerformer). I like Tracktion a lot, but it is weak in the midi department so Live is slowly becoming my first choice in a host (Mac). It is also great for live, spontaneous audio creation.
I went from Cubase to Tracktion (with a detour into DPerformer). I like Tracktion a lot, but it is weak in the midi department so Live is slowly becoming my first choice in a host (Mac). It is also great for live, spontaneous audio creation.
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- KVRAF
- 1868 posts since 26 Oct, 2002 from San Francisco
The MIDI/pianoroll side is still incredibly crude, but then I come from Logic, so I'm spoiled. I'm assuming v6 will be released within the year, and if so I'm hoping this will be one of the much improved areas. If so, I'm buying it for sure and slowly putting Logic 5 PC to rest.
It's just fun to use. Inspirational. I'm just not willing to fork out for it just yet...
It's just fun to use. Inspirational. I'm just not willing to fork out for it just yet...
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
It's funny, but on some places on the web, they talk about Live like it singlehandedly redefined all that is computer music, but then like this thread, some places you'll get only lukewarm responses.
I'm like pdxindy, I tried several times over the years, but never liked it. I tried v5 and liked a bit better, then didn't like it, then liked it a little more. I only have the Lite version installed, so don't use it often, and despite recent deals on upgrading, I just haven't felt compelled enough to do so.
There are a lot of cool things in Live, stuff like the session view, the browser, the XY controllers every where, the effects. Personally, I don't much care for its two samplers. Simpler is alright, but for a similar experience, I prefer to use the sample player in KarmaFX Synth. I think Impulse is simply terrible.
Live handles audio tracks/clips nicely, but unlike a lot of others, I'm not in love with the quality of the warping utility. The MIDI sequencing implementation isn't particularly overflowing with features, and is kind of awkward if you do a lot of note editing.
I find it's been useful for putting bits and pieces together, but anytime I start doing anything in depth I start to wish things were designed differently.
I'm like pdxindy, I tried several times over the years, but never liked it. I tried v5 and liked a bit better, then didn't like it, then liked it a little more. I only have the Lite version installed, so don't use it often, and despite recent deals on upgrading, I just haven't felt compelled enough to do so.
There are a lot of cool things in Live, stuff like the session view, the browser, the XY controllers every where, the effects. Personally, I don't much care for its two samplers. Simpler is alright, but for a similar experience, I prefer to use the sample player in KarmaFX Synth. I think Impulse is simply terrible.
Live handles audio tracks/clips nicely, but unlike a lot of others, I'm not in love with the quality of the warping utility. The MIDI sequencing implementation isn't particularly overflowing with features, and is kind of awkward if you do a lot of note editing.
I find it's been useful for putting bits and pieces together, but anytime I start doing anything in depth I start to wish things were designed differently.
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- Banned
- 2631 posts since 12 Oct, 2005 from the garden state
I test drove cubase LE and Livelite when I was looking for a new sequencer and for me Live won out.
I find it to be excellent for recording.The routing options in Live are great IMO, and quick to set up.
I'm more geared toward recording my midi bits 'live' on the keyboard,so I haven't noticed the awkwardness of the midi sequencing much.It seemed very intuitive to me when I had to go in and do a few tweaks.
I think the session view gets too much of the attention
I find it easy and intuitive to work in the arrangement view and finish a song in it.
I find it to be excellent for recording.The routing options in Live are great IMO, and quick to set up.
I'm more geared toward recording my midi bits 'live' on the keyboard,so I haven't noticed the awkwardness of the midi sequencing much.It seemed very intuitive to me when I had to go in and do a few tweaks.
I think the session view gets too much of the attention
I find it easy and intuitive to work in the arrangement view and finish a song in it.
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- something special
- 8630 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Birmingham, Alabama
I love Live 5
I use it only slightly less than SX2.
It's two different ways of working;
thus 'unveil' done in SX
and davey goes fishin' done in Live 5
sound worlds apart.
I use it only slightly less than SX2.
It's two different ways of working;
thus 'unveil' done in SX
and davey goes fishin' done in Live 5
sound worlds apart.
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
It makes an impressive show pony, but quickly falls to bits (workflow-wise) when asked to do hard work. Of course, just my personal experience only.
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- KVRAF
- 4878 posts since 13 Jun, 2002 from Montreal
How do you use it for guitar tracks, Dave? I have had no success recording guitar with L4 or L5.REALLY like it for guitar tracking!
I wish the midi side of things were different but as it is I'd give it a 9/10...
HTH
Dave
Best,
Gordon
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- KVRAF
- 2875 posts since 28 Jan, 2004 from Da Nang, Vietnam
The best thing about Live is the way you can just slosh audio around and record the output of any track or the whole mix into a new file. Throw in some live controller twiddling and it's as much an instrument as a host. There's also some very cool things you can do with combinations of follow actions and clip envelopes I don't think you could replicate in any other host. If they can get CPU efficiency closer to the other daws and fine tune some of the workflow issues I'm not sure what another host could do to tempt me away from Live.
I actually like the midi editing just fine. Simpler and Impulse could be better but it's brilliant that you can just grab clips from the session view and drop them into impulse or simpler slots. If you've seen the thread I recently started about my disappointments with software samplers I should point out here that I can get closer to the sample/mangle/resample workflow I want with Live than I can with any other software.
People that are used to Logic and Cubase and hosts like that might find Live frustrating though. Or liberating.
I actually like the midi editing just fine. Simpler and Impulse could be better but it's brilliant that you can just grab clips from the session view and drop them into impulse or simpler slots. If you've seen the thread I recently started about my disappointments with software samplers I should point out here that I can get closer to the sample/mangle/resample workflow I want with Live than I can with any other software.
People that are used to Logic and Cubase and hosts like that might find Live frustrating though. Or liberating.
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- KVRist
- 346 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from Sydney, Ausralia
It's very good on the composing side. I have a combination of hard and soft synths and for prototyping ideas it's an unbeatable tool - quickly recording 16 bars of something and then being able to loop that while you arse about with other ideas .. recording maybe 4 or 5 different takes of the same thing as individual loops and then using the one(s) you like the best .. that's where it excels.
The beatmapping is very strong - for example, prior to getting it connected to midi, I recorded (audio) an arpeggio from a hardware synth that was *close* to the tempo I needed, then used Live's "warp markers" to bring it into perfect sync. You'd never know the difference, it sounds like it was recorded that way.
On the downside, I'd say it's a bit weak when it comes to managing large sections of audio. There's no real in-place audio editing (compared to, say, Sonar), but if you're building things up from lots of loops then you can do a lot of the required editing in the loops themselves.
I have a real love/hate relationship with the automation system. By far the biggest problem is that it can only 'see' the first 128 parameters of any VST, so if the parameter you want to draw an envelope for or assign a hardware knob to isn't in the first 128 parameters, you are shit out of luck. Ableton have made it clear they have no plans to address this limitation. However, if you own (or buy) EnergyXT you can use eXT as a VST shell to map the VST parameters you need into 128 parameters that Live can see. It's a kludge, but it works.
The last thing I'll say is - a few months ago I sold Live 5 because I thought I was better off using Sonar. About two weeks later, I bought another Live 5 license because I missed it so much, and that exercise served to make me appreciate just how good and powerful an application it is. I won't sell it again.
G.
The beatmapping is very strong - for example, prior to getting it connected to midi, I recorded (audio) an arpeggio from a hardware synth that was *close* to the tempo I needed, then used Live's "warp markers" to bring it into perfect sync. You'd never know the difference, it sounds like it was recorded that way.
On the downside, I'd say it's a bit weak when it comes to managing large sections of audio. There's no real in-place audio editing (compared to, say, Sonar), but if you're building things up from lots of loops then you can do a lot of the required editing in the loops themselves.
I have a real love/hate relationship with the automation system. By far the biggest problem is that it can only 'see' the first 128 parameters of any VST, so if the parameter you want to draw an envelope for or assign a hardware knob to isn't in the first 128 parameters, you are shit out of luck. Ableton have made it clear they have no plans to address this limitation. However, if you own (or buy) EnergyXT you can use eXT as a VST shell to map the VST parameters you need into 128 parameters that Live can see. It's a kludge, but it works.
The last thing I'll say is - a few months ago I sold Live 5 because I thought I was better off using Sonar. About two weeks later, I bought another Live 5 license because I missed it so much, and that exercise served to make me appreciate just how good and powerful an application it is. I won't sell it again.
G.