Cubase automation! - I'm sick of this sh*t!

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I've been a Cubase user since the days of VST32 but there is one major thing that I have never been able to figure out: Is it actually possible to automate knobs of vst instruments in Cubase in good manner!? (map a midi CC# the knob)
The only way I have done this so far is using the generic remote, which is way to complex, and mapping a single button requires numerous operation, and I hate opening that damn device menu every time I want to do it! Is there nothing like "right click the automation track, select Midi Map and a midi learning function does the rest" (ala. Reason.. man, I sometimes miss good old, limited Reason :))
Can anyone tell me that Cubase has some simple way of doing this, and if it's really not possible, what the hell is Steinberg thinking! This is a fundamental feature of most other programs on the market! Please tell me that this is a feature that's likely to be included in SX4 (is should have been implemented back in SX1 or even before that)
Last edited by valdiorn on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Use the "W" button to write the automation and use the "R" button the read the recorded automation. This is very basic.

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there's also the automation 'subtracks' for each plugin track (cick the "+" button) - you can draw automation there.

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I want to map a midi CC# to the knob, I know how to enable the automation track itself... (should have made that clearer, edited my post...)

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never mind...

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depends on the plug afaik. some have knobs with fixed cc's. look for "midi learn" (OhmForce has a weirder word for it).

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oh, and mind that Cubase has a MIDI filter, that may be set to 'block' cc's.

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Yup, some plugins have midi learn capabilities on their own. But look at hosts like EnergyXT, where you can just select any parameter of you vst plugin, and then select a midi CC# to map it to. Very simple to do

...aaah, forget it, I'm in a bad mood, this thread is stupid anyway :(

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why did I pay 60 dollars for a useless chainer when I could have gotten energy xt... FOR LESS...

NOTE TO EVERYONE: DO NOT GET CHAINER! It's a useless piece of #$%! because trying to automate parameters in chainer as a VST, at least with Cubase, is so inconvenient (and sometimes even impossible if the plug has no midi learn) you might as well just not use it. Plus EXT is an on-going project. Chainer is dead. No updates, no improvements... yet it has LOTS of crash bugs.

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Yeah, eXT is an awesome solution for chaining plugins, plus a billion other things. I'm planning on picking it up soon for using inside Cubase; that way you can do whatever the hell you want with the plugin routing.

Now, that makes me wonder: can you use eXT as a VSTi in Cubase, load your FX in eXT and use its CC automation instead of Cubase?

Oh, just for the record: in Cubase, it's up to the manufacturer of the plugin how they implement MIDI CC's. For instance, Kontakt couldn't do automation when it came out. It had MIDI CC Learn, etc, but you couldn't do simple VST Automation! It's all up to the retailer.

But it would be best if it just worked, no matter what! :D

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Hey, can ext do sidechaining? Which Cubase can't because it's freaking stupid how unmodular it is? SX can do sidechaining after following the "60 billion steps to sidechaining!!!! Learn to do it in 30 days!" guide.

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I dont think comparing Chainer to Ext is a fair comparision. Chainer rocks, for what it does. Low cpu consumption, no fancy gui, straight to the point. Its very simple to use. Ext has its own strengths though, so i dont think you can compare the two.

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valdiorn wrote:Yup, some plugins have midi learn capabilities on their own. But look at hosts like EnergyXT, where you can just select any parameter of you vst plugin, and then select a midi CC# to map it to. Very simple to do

...aaah, forget it, I'm in a bad mood, this thread is stupid anyway :(
No this thread's not stupid. I've been fed up with Cubase ever since SX1's lack of proper MIDI controller handling. 2 versions later... Still sucks.

I like using endless rotary controllers that send 'inc/dec' messages. having no "parameter jumping", can't be beat. Especially when you're auditioning presets or patches on VST instruments.

You should see how 'Abelton Live' handles external CCs. Just about every knob, button, and slider in the program has MIDI learn. There's even MIDI learn in the softsynth and FX controller panels, so you can easily re-map the CCs to your controller.

Steinberg really screwed the pooch, when they kept on giving MIDI control such low priority throughout all of the 'XS' versions. Made me ditch em' for good. (along with plenty of other reasons)
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Oh... My... FReaking... HOLY CRAP EXT IS FREAKING AWESOME I THINK ILL BUY IT TODAY HOLY FREAKING CRPAFSMDFSAKDFMSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :-o

It makes creating layered synths + effects SO FREAKING EASY IT'S... holy crap....... hoooly. Just 5 minutes and I'm already convinced. CHAINER SUCKS!!! EXT IS... GERGSIFDGNSDIFAAAAAHHH!!!! HAHAHA!!!


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bduffy wrote:Yeah, eXT is an awesome solution for chaining plugins, plus a billion other things. I'm planning on picking it up soon for using inside Cubase; that way you can do whatever the hell you want with the plugin routing.

Now, that makes me wonder: can you use eXT as a VSTi in Cubase, load your FX in eXT and use its CC automation instead of Cubase?

Oh, just for the record: in Cubase, it's up to the manufacturer of the plugin how they implement MIDI CC's. For instance, Kontakt couldn't do automation when it came out. It had MIDI CC Learn, etc, but you couldn't do simple VST Automation! It's all up to the retailer.

But it would be best if it just worked, no matter what! :D
Yeah, you can use the internal automation of eXT fine in hosts. Just set the eXT sequencer to external sync and blast away! But you will need a sequencer comp to control ccs of effects either in the main window using midi cables or in the sequencer using inserts. too bad eXT doesn't have gui recording yet :cry: :cry: but it is in the next version so yes. the VST works exacty the same as the standalone apart from audio/asio/midi setup settings.
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