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jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:01 pm

When you rewire one or the other to a sequencer do you do the beat programming in FL or Reason and then rewire the stream or do you just use FL or Reason as sort of a sound module and only rewire the sound from it and do the actual pattern making in your sequencer. Thanks

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:40 pm

I do both (with Reason).

Why do you ask?

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:50 pm

Depends which you consider to have the superior editing and sequencing capabilities. When I used to own Reason, I was very fond of the NNXT and Maelstrom, but was glad I had ReWire as I wasn't really fond of Reason's own internal sequencer and piano roll. (nothing wrong with Reason's sequencer per-se, but I felt more comfortable using the ReWire Host to sequence the notes for the Reason channels themselves).

jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:54 pm

just trying to get a feel of how most people work. I am thinking of just using FL as a sound module so I won't have to deal with any delays at the start of the tracks.

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:05 pm

jmbriley wrote:I am thinking of just using FL as a sound module

That's a waste of money

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:12 pm

What do you mean by delays at the start of tracks?

I thought that was a problem with just the VST version of FLStudio, not the ReWired version?

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:56 pm

If your goal is to use VSTs with and next to Reason using a VST host, then my suggestion is screw it. Get rid of Reason and go VST-only. Reason ReWire is such a freaking pain, ruins your workflow. Of course, to get rid of reason you need lots of cash to buy a workhorse synth, decent effects, a sampler, and a healthy sample library complete with loops, instruments, and percussion. But in the end, you'll have capabilities far beyond Reason. This move is not a good idea for the faint of heart. You'll have to do a hell of a lot of adjusting, learning, and cash spending.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:05 pm

jmbriley wrote:just trying to get a feel of how most people work. I am thinking of just using FL as a sound module so I won't have to deal with any delays at the start of the tracks.

Why not built you tracks from the ground up with FLS via MIDI programming/recording??

YUGA · Post by **YUGA** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:00 am

Architeuthis wrote:you need lots of cash to buy a workhorse synth, decent effects, a sampler, and a healthy sample library complete with loops, instruments, and percussion.

And a powerful computer too.
I don't like rewire either. But the reason why I can't get rid of Reason is its incredibly light usage of CPU. I badly want to use Reason as a VSTi. If they don't implement this feature in the next version, I'll probably stop using it when I upgrade my laptop or when I get PoCo + Virus.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:12 am

YUGA wrote:
Architeuthis wrote:you need lots of cash to buy a workhorse synth, decent effects, a sampler, and a healthy sample library complete with loops, instruments, and percussion.
And a powerful computer too.
I don't like rewire either. But the reason why I can't get rid of Reason is its incredibly light usage of CPU. I badly want to use Reason as a VSTi. If they don't implement this feature in the next version, I'll probably stop using it when I upgrade my laptop or when I get PoCo + Virus.

Right on.

Michael Allan Cumming · Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:22 pm

I Rewire Reason into Cubase SX but will do all MIDI editing in Cubase. I'll only use the synths and samplers, never Redrum.

I use a multi-out VST instance of FL Studio in Cubase and do all sequencing in FL Studio. I'll only using Fruity for drums though.

Hovmod · Post by **Hovmod** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:41 am

I don't mind rewire. That's probably because I like Reason, and have bothered to work it out.

I stick Reason in my host, hook up the instrument (usually a combinator) straight to the hardware interface and send midi from the host straight to that combinator. Many of my songs will have 24 reason channels, sometimes more. Each device played by a midi track in the host (or sometimes both in the host and the reason seq), directly selected *by name* (that is, in tracktion I select "drumkit", and the midi track in Tracktion plays the drumkit combinator in reason)
Workflow?
It takes no more time than hooking up a multi-output vst. Really. The only thing is I have to save the song twice. Which I can live with.

So to answer the first question, my drums are very often the Reason Drum Kits, but whether the midi is in reason or in Tracktion depends... If I have many time sig changes I usually do everything in Tracktion.
Any instrument I use in reason goes to a separate output on the Reason interface, and looks like any other instrument in Tracktion, I just have to alt+tab to see the rack.
I guess the answer is "both".
And happily.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:34 am

I have:
Vember Audio Surge (Synth doubles as multi-fx)
Vember Audio ShortCircuit (Sampler with LOTS of internal effects)
QuikQuak RaySpace (Reverb)
Tone2 FilterBank2 (Filter/Multi-fx)
Xultop Chainer (Chains things and saves them like a combinator except not modular)

Free EQs, Destructions, Modulators, Delays, everything I need to replace Reason I have, except for:

Samples

But I'm getting there I assure you. I'll be getting Kontakt + VSL Opus Bundle, ProjectSAM ethnic percussion (when it's released), Scarbee Imperial Drums and then I'll be buying single instrument libraries from various companies. The only thing I'll still lack is:

Loops, Random Samples, Drum Hits, Maelstrom (which I don't feel I need to replace in any way). Will I continue to use Reason? That depends totally on what the developers introduce.

deep'n'dark · Post by **deep'n'dark** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:09 am

at the moment i use Reason rewired with Live, i think that reason's sequencer is not bad at all, maybe - there could be erase function using only mouse, but i have to say that i hate Live's sequencer - after energyXT getting rewire, i'm gonna so buy it. reason is anyway my no 1 tool and if you know how to use it then it's as good as any other software or better, it is PROFESSIONAL tool. i also have many refills and you can't get those instruments for that money, and those instruments are 8-10/10 IMO. (remember that often people think that raw instrument doesn't sound so Pro and it's cos it doesn't have any effects on it). + there's very wide refill instrument collection for reason.

Bottom line: Rewire isn't perfect but still very good and only solution for many of us.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:20 am

what the hell?

"you can't get those instruments for that money, and those instruments are 8-10/10 IMO. (remember that often people think that raw instrument doesn't sound so Pro and it's cos it doesn't have any effects on it)"

ooookayyyy... you need to get out more.

People who rewire Reason or FL Studio.