sample cd's - origin and legality ?
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- KVRist
- 302 posts since 12 Feb, 2005 from Finland
While listening some commercial sample cd's I was wondering where does the makers of sample cd's do get their material (like some techno/house sample cd's for example) I mean do they do everything from scratch OR do they sample other sources like commercial songs to get material and then do a little tweaking? eg. some kick drums (techno/trance style) sounds almost exactly same in several sample cd's so I was wondering maybe the producers have used same sample sources (IF that's how they do get their stuff) and some house sample cd's have loops that sounds like taken from 70's music. If this kind of sampling is used how's the legality of it and how does one know not to get in trouble when using these samples even though the material is said to be licensed and legal for the buyer?
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- KVRAF
- 4314 posts since 31 Oct, 2004
The sampling industry is corrupted, especially AMG which is the worst in my opinion. There should really be a good article about this whole business & the quasi-absence of ethic in it. I even read once in a ComputerMusic magazine that some companies were selling rex files with bad slices positions... & I'm not even talking about those "acid" loops files with just the bpm embedded in them!
The reality is that it is really a lot of trouble & a lot of work to create a sample cd from scratch only using 100% original materials. Just the editing alone is long hard work.
The reality is that it is really a lot of trouble & a lot of work to create a sample cd from scratch only using 100% original materials. Just the editing alone is long hard work.
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- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
I think that someone needs to look into why 99% of the people, that worry themselves about the legality of sampling issues, never release commercial material anyway. 
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- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
John Vulich wrote:I think that someone needs to look into why 99% of the people, that worry themselves about the legality of sampling issues, never release commercial material anyway.
I can't help, but whatever you write from now on I fall to the floor looking&laughin at/about this great dancing thing .-
- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
Good. Most of what I write is just sarcastic bullshit anyway. Perhaps it will serve as a constant reminder so that certain people will be less inclined to take me seriously.Klemperer wrote:
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- Tunesmith
- 2889 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Toronto
you're saying that 1% of all electronic music composers make money off of their music?John Vulich wrote:I think that someone needs to look into why 99% of the people, that worry themselves about the legality of sampling issues, never release commercial material anyway.
and yeah that dancing banana is quite priceless.
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- KVRAF
- 2356 posts since 30 Sep, 2003 from Sunny Staffordshire
Has anyone ever listened to Ueberschall's Loop Essentials?
My god, that this is so blatent I cant get over it. It even has the '50 Cent - In da Club' break on it, lol.
Out of curiosity I asked Ueberschall about that. They told me it was their break and that Fiddy had sampled it off them.
Thats pretty all you need to know Peteman.
TB
My god, that this is so blatent I cant get over it. It even has the '50 Cent - In da Club' break on it, lol.
Out of curiosity I asked Ueberschall about that. They told me it was their break and that Fiddy had sampled it off them.
Thats pretty all you need to know Peteman.
TB
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- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
No. Perhaps I should have been clearer. I believe that 99% of the people, posting their concerns on this forum about this issue, aren't releasing commercial material.Mr. Tunes wrote:you're saying that 1% of all electronic music composers make money off of their music?John Vulich wrote:I think that someone needs to look into why 99% of the people, that worry themselves about the legality of sampling issues, never release commercial material anyway.
and yeah that dancing banana is quite priceless.
Maybe a poll is in order.
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
----Well, I sure wouldn't buy and samples/loops/etc. from someone or some company that I knew had stolen material and/or broken copyrights. I mean why pay for that, anyone can grab a sample off a cd or whatever, that'd be like buying warez instead of just downloading it yourself. I'd hate to think that some thieves these days are just too lazy to be arsed to steal it themselves
Jeff
Jeff
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- Hun #3
- 4265 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from A quaint little village just south of Hamburg, Germany
why would anyone worry about the legality of Sample CD contentß
If they paid good money for it - the responsibiltiy is with the manufacturer surely?
Marco
If they paid good money for it - the responsibiltiy is with the manufacturer surely?
Marco
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- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
Because the author of sample sample CD collection has (theoretically) assumed responsibility for any liabilities.liars&ashes wrote:----Well, I sure wouldn't buy and samples/loops/etc. from someone or some company that I knew had stolen material and/or broken copyrights. I mean why pay for that, anyone can grab a sample off a cd or whatever, that'd be like buying warez instead of just downloading it yourself. I'd hate to think that some thieves these days are just too lazy to be arsed to steal it themselves
Jeff
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- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
Exactly.Bonteburg wrote:why would anyone worry about the legality of Sample CD contentß
If they paid good money for it - the responsibiltiy is with the manufacturer surely?
Marco
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- Tunesmith
- 2889 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Toronto
You don't know what KVR users do with their music. There are many people who post casually, lurkers or even top posters that you and I just have no clue how they work. The bottom line is, even if you aren't producing commercially released music, it really is best to figure out all your legal issues before anything gets to the stage of getting released. Cause when that day comes that someone wants to license your track for a commercial or a compilation CD, things will be moving fast and there will be no time to figure out where your samples came from and if they're legal or not.John Vulich wrote:No. Perhaps I should have been clearer. I believe that 99% of the people, posting their concerns on this forum about this issue, aren't releasing commercial material.Mr. Tunes wrote:you're saying that 1% of all electronic music composers make money off of their music?John Vulich wrote:I think that someone needs to look into why 99% of the people, that worry themselves about the legality of sampling issues, never release commercial material anyway.
and yeah that dancing banana is quite priceless.
Maybe a poll is in order.
As cleared up in another thread, it is your duty to understand where the samples on the sample cd are from, if you are caught using those sounds, YOU will be held liable and not ______ (insert one of the top sample cd manufacters here)Bonteburg wrote:why would anyone worry about the legality of Sample CD contentß
If they paid good money for it - the responsibiltiy is with the manufacturer surely?
Marco
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- KVRAF
- 4420 posts since 7 Nov, 2005 from Florida
I'm just waiting for piano manufacturers to start suing for royalties from Piano sample collections
Then strings
Then woodwinds
Then brass
My gosh, it could be a killing
Where's a lawyer when you need one???????
Mike
Then strings
Then woodwinds
Then brass
My gosh, it could be a killing
Where's a lawyer when you need one???????
Mike