Live boxed or naked?

[aMUSEd]

Hi - I'm now the proud owner of Ableton Live 4. I want to upgrade to 5 asap (as I would then qualify for 6 free) but is it best to go for the boxed or unboxed version. I don't care that much about extra samples, clips, tutorials etc etc but the site also refers to extra presets and if there are more presets for Operator or effects in the boxed version than the download one I might be tempted to pay the extra. So what exactly is in the box compared to the download version?

[aMUSEd]

I can't find anything on the site that specifies the content of the box compared to the download - it says it has "more content not available for download" but that's it.

[Vonbrucken]

open your eyes

The boxed version of Live 6 ships with a multi-gigabyte library of meticulously sampled and selected instruments from the SONiVOX (formerly Sonic Implants) premium collections. The Essential Instrument Collection provides a choice selection of acoustic and electric pianos, orchestral strings, brass, woodwinds, plucked strings, and mallets. Using Ableton's Simpler instrument, which is included with Live 6, the Essential Instrument Collection is ready to play right out of the box.

The Essential Instrument Collection contains the following multisampled instruments:

Acoustic Keyboards

Grand Piano
Harpsichord
Celesta
Electric Keyboards

E-Piano MK 1
B3 Jazz Organ
B3 Rock Organ
Orchestral Strings

Solo Strings (legato): Double Bass, Cello, Viola, Violin
Ensemble Strings (legato, pizzicato)
Orchestral Brass

Solo Brass (legato): French Horn, Bass Trombone, Tuba (Eb), Trumpet
Ensemble Brass (legato, staccato)
Orchestral Woodwinds

Solo Woodwinds (legato, legato vibrato): English Horn, Bassoon, Clarinet, French Oboe, Concert Flute, Alto Sax
Ensemble Woodwinds (legato)
Plucked Instruments

Harp (fingers)
Jazz Upright Bass
P-Bass (fingers, picks)
Six-String Nylon Guitar (tones, chords)
Strat Clean (tones, chords)
Mallets

Glockenspiel (hard mallets)
Xylophone (hard mallets)
Voice

Mixed Choir (ahh, ohh)
Note: The Essential Instrument Collection will not be included with downloadable purchases. Download customers can choose, however, to have the Live 6 box including the Essential Instrument Collection shipped to them later for an additional fee.

http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_6/wha ... collection
don't worry there are countless people that can not read a html page

[aMUSEd]

open your eyes

The boxed version of Live 6 ships with a multi-gigabyte library of meticulously sampled and selected instruments from the SONiVOX (formerly Sonic Implants) premium collections. The Essential Instrument Collection provides a choice selection of acoustic and electric pianos, orchestral strings, brass, woodwinds, plucked strings, and mallets. Using Ableton's Simpler instrument, which is included with Live 6, the Essential Instrument Collection is ready to play right out of the box.

The Essential Instrument Collection contains the following multisampled instruments:

Acoustic Keyboards

Grand Piano
Harpsichord
Celesta
Electric Keyboards

E-Piano MK 1
B3 Jazz Organ
B3 Rock Organ
Orchestral Strings

Solo Strings (legato): Double Bass, Cello, Viola, Violin
Ensemble Strings (legato, pizzicato)
Orchestral Brass

Solo Brass (legato): French Horn, Bass Trombone, Tuba (Eb), Trumpet
Ensemble Brass (legato, staccato)
Orchestral Woodwinds

Solo Woodwinds (legato, legato vibrato): English Horn, Bassoon, Clarinet, French Oboe, Concert Flute, Alto Sax
Ensemble Woodwinds (legato)
Plucked Instruments

Harp (fingers)
Jazz Upright Bass
P-Bass (fingers, picks)
Six-String Nylon Guitar (tones, chords)
Strat Clean (tones, chords)
Mallets

Glockenspiel (hard mallets)
Xylophone (hard mallets)
Voice

Mixed Choir (ahh, ohh)
Note: The Essential Instrument Collection will not be included with downloadable purchases. Download customers can choose, however, to have the Live 6 box including the Essential Instrument Collection shipped to them later for an additional fee.

http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_6/wha ... collection
don't worry there are countless people that can not read a html page

Yes I can read but maybe you didn't notice that I was referring to the 5 upgrade. I know 6 comes with the extra packs (though even then this is not the full content of the disk - only the content of the Essential instruments Collection - as I would think this disk too comes with other content (clips, presets for fx? etc)

[grymmjack]

i dont think operator is free, aMUSEd, isn't that a pay add-on? i wouldn't expect to be included in 6?

[Vonbrucken]

yeah this is true

[aMUSEd]

i dont think operator is free, aMUSEd, isn't that a pay add-on? i wouldn't expect to be included in 6?

I know that - I was referring just to extra presets (perhaps - without access to this information I'm just guessing - thats the problem) - certainly the site says there are extra presets - just not if they are also available as a download or exclusive to the boxed version and what they are, how many etc

[aMUSEd]

OK solved - Ableton tech support are very quick off the mark

The presets of all the devices are the same, but the boxed version comes with an additional demo cd of Big Fish Audio sample-loops.

So I don't need it then. For 30 euros more its a bit much for a demo CD and paper manual.

I'll decide at a later date about the boxed version of 6.

[meister eder]

For hundreds of extra Operator presets go here:
http://www.thecovertoperators.com/downloads.php
High quality patches for free.

Also check out their SoundWrecks package.
It's more than worth the little money (35 €):
http://www.thecovertoperators.com/
"Over 3000 LiveClips, hundreds of patches for the Simpler, hundreds of fx chains and over 60 drum kits for the Impulse!"