when using a sampler that has pitched a single hit sample up and down the scale (i think its called auto-chromatice?) such as a bass note, does the sound that you make whenyou hold down a key in your controller last longer than the original length of that single hit sampled note if you wanted (sort of like a normal softsynth of other instrument). If i held down the note for 10 seconds, would the note play sustained for 10 seconds?
does it depend on the sampler?
I'm looking at shortciruit in case anyone happens to uses that..
thanks
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- KVRist
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
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- KVRAF
- 16856 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
In general: yes, unlooped single-hit samples will last longer on lower notes. That's how it works...
If you want infinite sustain, you need to set up a set loop points.
If you want infinite sustain, you need to set up a set loop points.
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- KVRian
- 938 posts since 16 Nov, 2006 from Amsterdam
Yes.
No.
It depends on the samples (and of course the sampler will have to use it
).
In each sample there should be 'loop points', indicating which part of the sample should be looped if you press the key longer than the original sample lasts.
An simple example: let's say our sample's timeline is A-B-C-D, where A is the start of the sample and D is the end, B-C are the loop points.
What will happen if you press the key, is that it plays A-B and then B-C B-C B-C until you release the key, then it plays C-D.
No.
It depends on the samples (and of course the sampler will have to use it
).In each sample there should be 'loop points', indicating which part of the sample should be looped if you press the key longer than the original sample lasts.
An simple example: let's say our sample's timeline is A-B-C-D, where A is the start of the sample and D is the end, B-C are the loop points.
What will happen if you press the key, is that it plays A-B and then B-C B-C B-C until you release the key, then it plays C-D.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
ok i think i get what youre saying, im making hip hop so i would want to do that def with basses and some other instrumentation obvioulsy like organs/strings for example.. is this a common way to use a sample if i want to write a bass line that could be played like a soft synth?? i know these are broad questions, but im trying to figuere out if i can use a sampler in this way as a sort of cheaper (and maybe better) replacement for getting a bunch of synths at this point... i dont have many synths and it seems like if i could use a sampler as sort of replacement for the synths (amongst other things) i could just find the sounds i want to make my instruments with instead of buying huge libraries for a ton of money... thoughts?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
also, can you play the note shorter than the orginal sample?? thanks for all the help
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- KVRian
- 938 posts since 16 Nov, 2006 from Amsterdam
Yes, of course you can play the note shorter, and it will depend on the sampler settings (ADSR envelope) how it will sound, e.g. stopping abruptly or fading out.
Your plan should be feasible (as long as you plan to use only legal samples ). On the other hand you'll probably want to get one or two soft synths to really create your own sounds. Some of us collect soft synths and use them only slightly, but you could argue that e.g. Albino or Blue could be the only synth that you really need, because they have so many possibilities.
You could take a look at e.g. Wusikstation, which is a sample based synth. Not as a replacement for Shortcircuit (or Vsampler or Kontakt), but you can use it to play your own samples and then use FX like filters, delays, modulation to create your own sound.
And Wusikstation comes with lots of samples from lots of instruments (percussion, keyboards, pianos, basses, guitars, etc).
Your plan should be feasible (as long as you plan to use only legal samples
). On the other hand you'll probably want to get one or two soft synths to really create your own sounds. Some of us collect soft synths and use them only slightly, but you could argue that e.g. Albino or Blue could be the only synth that you really need, because they have so many possibilities.You could take a look at e.g. Wusikstation, which is a sample based synth. Not as a replacement for Shortcircuit (or Vsampler or Kontakt), but you can use it to play your own samples and then use FX like filters, delays, modulation to create your own sound.
And Wusikstation comes with lots of samples from lots of instruments (percussion, keyboards, pianos, basses, guitars, etc).
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
thanks for the speedy response and the info it really helps! have u ever used shortcircuit? from everything that i gather i seems to do exactly what i want for a resnoable price compared to other samplers that have huge libraries and cost a lot of money..
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- KVRian
- 938 posts since 16 Nov, 2006 from Amsterdam
No I haven't used it, but ShortCircuit has a great reputation. Alternatives in the same price range are VSampler and probably Directwave. I have VSampler, which is great too, is flexible with lots of options, but after I bought Kontakt I don't use other samplers anymore.
btw at the left of the kvr forum page there is a link (Instruments Effects Hosts etc) that you can use to see all the registered plugins at kvr, and you can select to use only samplers, to give you an overview of all the products that are available.
You might even want to start with the free sfz, or find a good soundfont player...
(Sorry, there are really too many options
)
btw at the left of the kvr forum page there is a link (Instruments Effects Hosts etc) that you can use to see all the registered plugins at kvr, and you can select to use only samplers, to give you an overview of all the products that are available.
You might even want to start with the free sfz, or find a good soundfont player...
(Sorry, there are really too many options
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