CSR - just purchased!

[Caleb]

Well - I've done it. With all the bloody good deals going around lately I've committed to the CSR reverb!

Also grabbed the piano expansion tank - blimey those Expansion Tanks are cheap at the moment, especially when you remove the LE player.

All I'm waiting for is LiveSlice to become a viable REX2 player and I'll be picking out a RAW library or two.

And with Miro being playable in ST2 - I'm happy happy happy.

Now if I can get one or two more things lined up there may be a strong reason to look into a Receptor.

Oh - and flynn - you got the referral.

Regards
Caleb

[flynn]

Thanks Caleb

Hope you'll enjoy CSR as much as I do.

EF

[Caleb]

OK - got my CSR and have authorised it.
Forgot about the dongle, but I'm guessing that dongle like the rest will eventually go the way of the dodo bird.

I didn't actually get any of the extras as part of that 10 year anniversary thing. I'm wondering if I didn't end up qualifying somehow.

In any case, it's nice to have CSR as I've always heard wonderful things about it everywhere I've looked.

Regards
Caleb

[Squids]

The stuff from the promo deal is provided by IK. First look in your user area for it (like the T-Racks 24 download).

I think you will love your CSR. I love that plug-in. I really needed it too. For a "virtual studio" you have to have your basic high end reverb sound workhorse. To me it is like having a PCM90 in your rack or something like that. I've never spent the money to have a high end reverb in my studio so it is nice to have CSR in my virtual studio. I use it all the time. Every mix.

[Kim Lajoie]

I love that plug-in. I really needed it too. For a "virtual studio" you have to have your basic high end reverb sound workhorse. To me it is like having a PCM90 in your rack or something like that. I've never spent the money to have a high end reverb in my studio so it is nice to have CSR in my virtual studio. I use it all the time. Every mix.

Took the words right out of my mouth!

-Kim.

[telebunke]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

-Kim.

It must have been while you were dissing me

tele

[Caleb]

Yeah - I'm looking forward to it.

When part of my studio involved the Scope platform I had a high-end reverb there, but now that I really don't use Scope anymore, I needed one good one - and here it is.

Funny thing is, I don't get interested in higher end effects that come out. Most of my effect stuff is freeware or low cost and I'm not easily convinced. But I wanted CSR as soon as it came out. It just seemed to be the one I was waiting for.

Even then it required a pretty spectacular promotion to make me part with my money.

Thanks for the tip about the IK site.
I checked but only CSR had been added. Maybe it takes a bit of time.
I'll write them an email just in case.

Regards
Caleb

[Caleb]

Hmmm - Squids - wondering if I can bend your ear for the moment.

I'm posting one of those blind A/B comparisons here.

The composition is identical in each case - and I have to say it's pretty poor. This is not a judge the quality of the composition moment. And I apologise for my particularly poor use of the Miro library here.

However, what I have done is swap out the freeware Classic Reverb for the higher end CSR hall reverb (on an orchestra hall setting).

I just wanted to know Squids if you could pick out the CSR version and why you could. Kim - feel free to jump in as well.

The reason is - I'm embarrassed to say - I have a little bit of difficulty picking out the better of the two from a reverb point of view which probably proves what I always thought - that I don't have a good ear for that sort of thing.

But it would be nice if others with better ears than mine could pick out the difference.

http://www.calebblake.com/audiofiles/renderA.ogg

http://www.calebblake.com/audiofiles/renderB.ogg

Regards
Caleb

[pricer]

to my ears (and i'm useless with this sort of thing) A has a more smoother & linear tailoff, whereas B has more of a smeared delay touch to it.

So my money would be on A being CSR!

[Boulotaur2024]

Honestly, I can't tell, the reverb is too subtle to be heard with my current crappy headphones. I usually love those A/B tests though.

Anyway, to me the violin sounds extremely MIDI-ish.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

CSR is the best native verb out there IMO (though the AAR verb is also very nice). There's really nothing CSR doesn't do well, but why no Spring? I find it odd that there's no good spring verbs, and IKMM already has them in AT2, and didn't bother to add a spring mode to CSR for that Phil Spector-y goodness.

Anyway, Squids, any idea on when CSR is going dongle-less?

[AlienHand]

Hi,

First, the reverb effect is quite subtle and unfortunately the files are compressed, but anyhow.........

If you concentrate on the last 2 sec of each file, I can hear the following :

A) A natural envevolpe of the reverb sound in halls (sounds close to some of my IRs) * It has a smooth sound - probably because of some modulation.

B) It has a very fast attack on the reverb, unlike halls * lack of density including a metallic decay.

I would say A is the CSR.

But again - the effect is very subtle

Cheers
AlienHand

[BERFAB]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

-Kim.

It must have been while you were dissing me

tele

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Meet...Loaf..."

[BERFAB]

I picked A before I read the other posts. These examples aren't exactly bathed in 'verb, but A sounds cleaner to me.

In my own stuff where the reverb is much more pronounced, the difference is much more apparent. As a result, I always reach for CSR even when the difference is less apparent. In my mind, this stuff adds up in a mix, and it just makes it cleaner sounding.

-B

[Kim Lajoie]

But it would be nice if others with better ears than mine could pick out the difference.

http://www.calebblake.com/audiofiles/renderA.ogg

http://www.calebblake.com/audiofiles/renderB.ogg

You've made it very difficult! Both clips are very dry - especially for orchestral music. No wonder you can't hear the difference - you're trying to compare a subtle[1] difference in reverbs in a subtle mix masked by thick diffuse sounds with tiny transients (only the piano, buried in the mix).

[1] By "subtle difference", I mean subtle in the context of the whole piece of music. CSR is head and shoulders above freeware reverbs, but how much difference it makes to the mix (and to the music) depends on how it's used.

The reason is - I'm embarrassed to say - I have a little bit of difficulty picking out the better of the two from a reverb point of view which probably proves what I always thought - that I don't have a good ear for that sort of thing.

To put this in perspective, there's no doubt you can make great music with freeware (or just a guitar and pencil and paper!). Professional gear isn't there to make your music better. It's there to make it easier for you to make better music. It's a case of having the right tool for the job (and how lucky are we to have all these tools?). If your mixes are usually this dry, it might be that your selection of reverb isn't critical to getting your sound (and making your music).

I once read a quote: "If you can't record a hit on an SBLive, you probably can't record a hit." I wish I knew who said it.

-Kim.