Hello all,
I am checking if there is scope for releasing an Indian sample CD that contains hundreds of loops in different tempos.
What do you guys as genuine "buyers" expect out of such a product?
Do reply so that your views are taken into consideration and acknowledged while developing such a product.
Also, what kind of loop formats are a must in such a product?
What sample rate?
Thanks,
Aditya
Indian percussion loops and samples
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 19 Feb, 2007 from Mumbai, India
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
The standard formats for loops these days are Rex2 and Acidized .wav. Usually the latter are at 24/48, though 24/96 is also common.
The only application that can make Rex2 files is Propellerheads ReCycle. The only application that can make true acidized wave files is Sony's Acid Pro
There are also various Beatslicer/loop manipulation applications on the market, both plugin and standalone. Some are quite popular, and have their own proprietary formats, so you might want to look at them. Among them are Stylus RMX, LiveSlice and Beatcreator.
People also generally expect consistent tempi.
Good luck, and feel free to pm me if I can be of assistance.
The only application that can make Rex2 files is Propellerheads ReCycle. The only application that can make true acidized wave files is Sony's Acid Pro
There are also various Beatslicer/loop manipulation applications on the market, both plugin and standalone. Some are quite popular, and have their own proprietary formats, so you might want to look at them. Among them are Stylus RMX, LiveSlice and Beatcreator.
People also generally expect consistent tempi.
Good luck, and feel free to pm me if I can be of assistance.
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- KVRAF
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
Hi adit, I'm from india too. What we have a need for is, loops from various regions - bhangra, koothu, hindustani, carnatic mridangam/tabla, etc. If you can do live instrument loops of these AND make rhtyhm kits of most of the indian perc. instruments, then the CD is worth 99 dollars.
Make it various formats - akai, roland, kontakt, wav, etc. I'd buy the akai one, just because its easy for me if its all already mapped.
Make it various formats - akai, roland, kontakt, wav, etc. I'd buy the akai one, just because its easy for me if its all already mapped.
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- KVRAF
- 1527 posts since 3 Apr, 2002 from desolation row
Namaste Adit,
Yes (and I've pm'ed you)!
Yes (and I've pm'ed you)!
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- "The" Jazz
- 4619 posts since 18 Aug, 2004 from California, United States
What a coincedence, that's a topic I have just been thinking about recently! I'm not really into audio loops, but multi-samples would be awesome.
Think like all the syllables in tabla (din, ta, etc.) playing, with like 12 velocity layers per hit. If you have really nice samples, you could make some MIDI loops. I just don't like the inflexibility of audio loops.
And then some Tambura (Tanpura) drones and whatnot. Maybe even some Sarangi, Vina, etc. But with lots of articulations. An extensive library like that would be incredible!
Think like all the syllables in tabla (din, ta, etc.) playing, with like 12 velocity layers per hit. If you have really nice samples, you could make some MIDI loops. I just don't like the inflexibility of audio loops.
And then some Tambura (Tanpura) drones and whatnot. Maybe even some Sarangi, Vina, etc. But with lots of articulations. An extensive library like that would be incredible!
Greg Schlaepfer
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 11 Jan, 2006 from Pittsburgh
Actually, Sony's Sound Forge can also ACIDize files. It's also much better suited for editing wavs than ACID is.herodotus wrote:The only application that can make true acidized wave files is Sony's Acid Pro
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- KVRian
- 1214 posts since 2 Jun, 2004 from Québec, CANADA
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
This is exactly what ( seriously ) lacks to the swar systems product !!!Gregjazz wrote: 12 velocity layers per hit.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 9 posts since 19 Feb, 2007 from Mumbai, India
hi,
we already have such a product - SwarPlug - which has individual hits (49 instruments), MIDI loops, etc.
what about a Bollywood style of loops with Indian instruments? do you see a scope in people buying it? what price point?
any suggestions would be welcome.
thx,
aditya
we already have such a product - SwarPlug - which has individual hits (49 instruments), MIDI loops, etc.
what about a Bollywood style of loops with Indian instruments? do you see a scope in people buying it? what price point?
any suggestions would be welcome.
thx,
aditya
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- KVRAF
- 1527 posts since 3 Apr, 2002 from desolation row
Hi Adit,
I like the idea of a Bollywood specific set of loops and hits.
I will try to ask for some specific things, as there are some elements of Bollywood production that I love, and would certainly pay for.
I will use the Devdas soundtrack (by Ismail Darbar) as a guide, as I have it on right now-
1. In the track 'Silsila ye Chaahat ka' - at 4:02, that low male 'dun dddun dd dun' that comes in, kind of imitating a fast string phrases or something - this is a good bollywood 'element'.
2. The Devdas soundtrack is (with the Taal soundtrack) for me a particularly good exmpale of the excellent use of rhythm in modern day bollywood. The rhythm patterns which combine tabla-esque traditional rhythms with more bombastic elements are just superb. I would certainly pay for a few hundred megabytes of such rhythms with good production quality.
3. Bollywood clap rhythms - claps are are awesome element of the bollywood rhythm, don't forget them. maybe as seperate loops that can be layered over the percussive loops.
4. (Still on rhythm) that lovely de-tuned/unison effect that comes from having what sounds like 4 tablas players play the same rhythm - I guess it is on the 'dayan' (the higher pitched drum of the Tabla pair). You can hear it all over the two soundtracks I mentioned, for instance. It sounds like only this drum hit is layered, not the whole rhythm pattern. I would kill for good loops incorporating this.
5. Bells (ankle bells, specifically).
6. Also, I guess you could do some vocal phrase loops. But, I would want them to have some translation ('the heart is crazy!') :>. I actually understand a little Hindi, but I wouldn't use phrases of words I didn't understand.
7. Harp and Dulcimer glissandos.
8. A whole range of rhythmic vocalisations, along the lines of what gregjazz has said, but extended beyond the common tabla vocalisations to include the larger repertoire found in Bollywood.
9. If you are going to do vocal phrase loops, you would need to do solo vocal as well as chorus vocals.
That is it for now, but I am sure I will think of more.
I like the idea of a Bollywood specific set of loops and hits.
I will try to ask for some specific things, as there are some elements of Bollywood production that I love, and would certainly pay for.
I will use the Devdas soundtrack (by Ismail Darbar) as a guide, as I have it on right now-
1. In the track 'Silsila ye Chaahat ka' - at 4:02, that low male 'dun dddun dd dun' that comes in, kind of imitating a fast string phrases or something - this is a good bollywood 'element'.
2. The Devdas soundtrack is (with the Taal soundtrack) for me a particularly good exmpale of the excellent use of rhythm in modern day bollywood. The rhythm patterns which combine tabla-esque traditional rhythms with more bombastic elements are just superb. I would certainly pay for a few hundred megabytes of such rhythms with good production quality.
3. Bollywood clap rhythms - claps are are awesome element of the bollywood rhythm, don't forget them. maybe as seperate loops that can be layered over the percussive loops.
4. (Still on rhythm) that lovely de-tuned/unison effect that comes from having what sounds like 4 tablas players play the same rhythm - I guess it is on the 'dayan' (the higher pitched drum of the Tabla pair). You can hear it all over the two soundtracks I mentioned, for instance. It sounds like only this drum hit is layered, not the whole rhythm pattern. I would kill for good loops incorporating this.
5. Bells (ankle bells, specifically).
6. Also, I guess you could do some vocal phrase loops. But, I would want them to have some translation ('the heart is crazy!') :>. I actually understand a little Hindi, but I wouldn't use phrases of words I didn't understand.
7. Harp and Dulcimer glissandos.
8. A whole range of rhythmic vocalisations, along the lines of what gregjazz has said, but extended beyond the common tabla vocalisations to include the larger repertoire found in Bollywood.
9. If you are going to do vocal phrase loops, you would need to do solo vocal as well as chorus vocals.
That is it for now, but I am sure I will think of more.
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- KVRAF
- 3369 posts since 16 Jan, 2005 from Ottawa, Ontario
How about the multitude of OTHER Indian percussion that nobody seems to put out? There's tablas everywhere, but there's so much more to Indian percussion. I prefer to make my own loops, so just quality samples of other Indian stuff would be good as well - like the khol, dholak, pakhawaj, dayan, naal and more...
... and while you're at it some strings would be nice too. There's sitars everywhere but what about the sarangi, sarod, esraj, and Indian bowed instruments like the can with one string?
... and while you're at it some strings would be nice too. There's sitars everywhere but what about the sarangi, sarod, esraj, and Indian bowed instruments like the can with one string?
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- KVRAF
- 1527 posts since 3 Apr, 2002 from desolation row
Bollywood definitely uses other Indian percussions than the tabla (although usually in combinations with Tabla), so I would expect a 'Bollywood' cd would have at least some of these other percussions. And, isn't the dayan the higher pitched drum in the Tabla set anyway?
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- Banned
- 1966 posts since 2 Mar, 2004
Hi, I agree with greg.
personally, I think you would have to produce a lot of loop content for a very competitive price to beat offers like this: http://www.bestservice.de/detail.asp/en ... p57p17p118
But for multisamples instruments there should be a market, Except from RA (too expensive) there is no competition. I own the from Swar Systems, but they have no velocity layered sounds and no different playing techniques per instruments. The one thing I would immediately buy is a table with all available playing techniques in multi-velo layers!
cheers, akj
personally, I think you would have to produce a lot of loop content for a very competitive price to beat offers like this: http://www.bestservice.de/detail.asp/en ... p57p17p118
But for multisamples instruments there should be a market, Except from RA (too expensive) there is no competition. I own the from Swar Systems, but they have no velocity layered sounds and no different playing techniques per instruments. The one thing I would immediately buy is a table with all available playing techniques in multi-velo layers!
cheers, akj
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Not trying to get controversial or anything, but Sound Forge does lack some of the functionality of acidization.DocAtlas wrote:Actually, Sony's Sound Forge can also ACIDize files. It's also much better suited for editing wavs than ACID is.herodotus wrote:The only application that can make true acidized wave files is Sony's Acid Pro
It is of course, as you pointed out, much better for editing the loops.
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- KVRAF
- 6179 posts since 29 Mar, 2003 from Location: Location
I'm not going to go into any details since I see no reason to believe you are prepared to do more then just record maybe yourself playing...but here's what i'd buy;
Since I have a sample tabla set called "Abracatabla" I don't need another.
I'd buy a sample step sequencing vsti that was like M-Audio Darbuka ; http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=pro ... fe093f7b1c
...but with Indian percussion.
Since I have a sample tabla set called "Abracatabla" I don't need another.
I'd buy a sample step sequencing vsti that was like M-Audio Darbuka ; http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=pro ... fe093f7b1c
...but with Indian percussion.
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