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Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:22 am

looking online for commercial samples, all I get are loops f**king loops loops loops...

Is there any sampling house that has a good collection ONE-SHOTS ONLY. These kinds of cds are impossible to come by. I recently got an AKAI World something... but I ended up liking only a tiny fraction of it. I'm a big fan of AKAI percussion samples, but I'd like something more dedicated only to single hits.

I know about Doru's 230 Ethnic... and it's on my to buy list (can't beat that price) and I'd like to ask for suggestions on collections similar Doru Malaia: just single organic hits with NO panning, reverb or any other effects.

I'm pretty much covered for bass drums (for now) between the samples I have, synthesizing my own and splicing. What I'm missing most are:

snare drums - so many many many flavours
*shakers*
***sticks and rim shots*** - they always have ...like 6 or 9 of these on a whole damn disc!!
clean sounding hats of all kinds

I'm also very interested in single instrument collections like some congas that were recently advertised (I forgot the house) and especially ethnic stuff, like an Indian Skins collection or an Eyptian one... or a cd only full of shakers... the real simplest of sounds.

No loops!!

Any suggestions are most welcome. CHEERS!

afreshcupofjoe · Post by **afreshcupofjoe** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:51 am

I'm also appalled by the lack of shakers on commercial sample cds. Every other freaking song I hear has a different god-d*mn shaker on it, and how many shaker samples do I have? I've got variations on the same 3 drum loops coming out of my ass for ages, but maybe 5 shakers and they SUCK. WTF?

zvon · Post by **zvon** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:00 am

If you are also interested in unique and a bit weird electro-acoustic percussion one-shot sounds, you can check out our Prepared Rhodes:

http://www.lesproductionszvon.com/zvon_PR.htm

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:34 am

I assume you know about Doru's Super Drums 8000? Tons of Kicks, snares, percs, maybe even a few shakers

(don't have my DAW up at the mo to check). I paid $29 shipping included direct from Doru before his death, not sure what the cost is now but Image Line's Samplefusion site carries the disk.

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:49 am

yes there is some shakers in the pack http://www.e-officedirect.com/samplefus ... mpleKit=46

HongKongTain · Post by **HongKongTain** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:46 pm

I really feel you on the shakers!

For me, I decided to record them MYSELF -- seriously, I finally just bought a few shakers, and always keep my eye out for new ones with unique sounds. It's amazing how just adding a REAL shaker (played by me) really gives a more organic feel to tracks -- and I always get the exact style I want, you know? (I did not "sample" them, I just play and record a performance "live" to the track).

I don't always do that, but sometimes.

SO, whatever -- just a suggestion, if you have a mic/pre etc...

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jivamukti · Post by **jivamukti** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:24 pm

Doru Malaia Superdrums 8000. Excellent value for money, with tons of very good samples. It has more than 2000 snares and 1000 hihats.

Most samples don't have effects on them.

pepelogu · Post by **pepelogu** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:40 pm

I find getting a good shakergroove going with one-shots is damn-near impossible.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:09 pm

naturalstudio. Five DVDs of one shot percussion samples, velocity layered/expression controlled (if you use Halion3/Kontakt2 -- or roll your own or use someone else's mapping).

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:49 pm

NICE ONE pljones!!!! Those were the congas I was talking about! 12 quid and I'll likely not need another set. That's EXACTLY what I was talking about... now to find the same for just about everything else.

I'll try the Superdrums as well, though there's an Image-Line/Samplefusion collection called Superdrums 8000 as well - is that a standard of something?

...as for getting a good groove going pepelogu, I have no problems with that. It's more of a challenge if you use only one-shots, but there is absolutely NO comprimise necessary for trying to fit them into a track. Afterall, this is probably a tertiary level essential to learning to write music to begin with, isn't it? The stuff that I admittedly have a little trouble with is the offbeat element, but running to loops is not the answer to learning how to do it IMO.

In any case, I've learned alot doing it the hard way and thus far I'm very very happy with my grooves. Where I fall short is in the mixing. You'd be surprised at what happens when you combine a few complimentary sounds - you end up with your own little loops, and the the groove can be manipulated easily throughout a track. I find the groove writes itself alot of the time and sometimes it's just a matter of deciding whether you like it or not. But if you want/have to make very subtle changes to it, it's easier to rearrange than it would be using loops. Sometimes all you want is a few milliseconds shifted on one hit. I always know what SOUNDS I want, so I just need to find them, which is why I'm out in earnest looking for good samples.

Pitch is another thing, and especially with percusion, taken too far, they sound shitty real quick. A few cents is OK, but unless it's for effect, I don't much like pitch-shifting percussion. This again demands an extensive collection for alot of different instruments.

...but I'd definately agree that placing one-shots down to faithfully create the idea that's in your head is not easy, then to mix it properly... and for me that also means MANUALLY adding swing where necessary (in FL there's only 1 global swing - no es bueno). But it's made much easier with good solid sound sources and becoming a frequency selection nazi, I think thus far; even before any serious panning or EQing is done the groove should be breathing. And it all starts with the samples...

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:38 pm

Debutante wrote:NICE ONE pljones!!!! Those were the congas I was talking about! 12 quid and I'll likely not need another set. That's EXACTLY what I was talking about... now to find the same for just about everything else. I'll try the Superdrums as well, though there's an Image-Line/Samplefusion collection called Superdrums 8000 as well - is that a standard of something?

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well it is as simple as reading what is written on the page i have linked

COPYRIGHT AND LICENSING INFORMATION

All sounds are licensed to you by Image Line Software. All sounds on this Sample CD are created by Doru MALAIA. Both Image-Line Software en Doru MALAIA will always retain ownership & property of the sound samples.

but without going this far Teksonik in the first place explain the situation very well

I assume you know about Doru's Super Drums 8000? Tons of Kicks, snares, percs, maybe even a few shakers HiHi (don't have my DAW up at the mo to check). I paid $29 shipping included direct from Doru before his death, not sure what the cost is now but Image Line's Samplefusion site carries the disk.

so yes sometimes reading just comes handy

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:28 pm

I knew about the FL ones but didn't read the page

Thanks VonBrucken. Yes ...reading helps

...and look at what I was saying earlier about sticks. On that WHOLE cd there's ony 7!!!! sticks!

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:52 pm

e-LAB Smoker's Delight has a healthy one-shot section. Includes shakers. No stupid 909/808 samples.

Also check all the stuff by Equipped Music (the new e-LAB) which includes Smoker's Relight.

Big Shots: The Producer's Vault from Electrisounds is cheap and has a good amount of usable oneshots.

Stylus RMX has 10k single hit samples, though you have to bounce them out if you want to make use of them (not so bad if you have an automated sampler VST or program since they come in "menus" mapped across 20-30+ keys).

You can also extract/bounce the library that comes with Reason, which contains a fair amount of oneshots.

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:17 pm

Debutante wrote:I knew about the FL ones but didn't read the page Thanks VonBrucken. Yes ...reading helps

...and look at what I was saying earlier about sticks. On that WHOLE cd there's ony 7!!!! sticks!

hum yes

sticks

well i think there is some good one in some samplefusion cds but don't remember on wich and i can not look at it right now ( i have all the samplefusion's cds , that i have bought when they were selling them at 99$ )
will answer this tommorow

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:20 pm

a big bag of percussion is gonna set you back, what, 100 quid? and that's including a bloody glockenspiel already!

I bit the bullet and simply started recording my own, even for looping purposes and usually just blown live and I can only wonder why I didn't do it 5 years a go.

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