Augustus Loop and Logic automation

[gpiccolini]

I have a little problem in Logic7... after a while of working Augustus stops receiving automation. neither midi...I have to relaunch Logic and it's back to life. The problem is I plan to use it live. Anyone with the same problem? or it's my system?. Other than that the pluggin rocks!
BTW: a new manual is a must...at least a little tutorial.

regards

[pboy]

I have a little problem in Logic7... after a while of working Augustus stops receiving automation. neither midi...I have to relaunch Logic and it's back to life. The problem is I plan to use it live. Anyone with the same problem?

I have the same problem, which is due to the fact that you cant send MIDI to a plug-in in Logic. I solved it by using Ableton Live instead, as the host for Agustus Loop.

[gpiccolini]

I have the same problem, which is due to the fact that you cant send MIDI to a plug-in in Logic. I solved it by using Ableton Live instead, as the host for Agustus Loop.

..ok, nice to know I'm not alone... thanks
Ableton is not an option for me ATM...it's a lot easier (and cheaper) to get another delay instead. ...but why it works for a while?. I'm not sending MIDI, I'm automating stuff and not using MIDI; I posted about MIDI not responding because I tried that also after the first fail, but my main problem is with Logic's automation. Augustus is the only pluggin that behaves like that. I have all my live show in a big song and have lots of stuff automated. I bought Augustus to replace what I was doing in Logic 5 PC with Elotronixx (a PC VST free pluggin), but now I found that after a while it stops receiving automation (wich is the very first time it happens to me... ) and I'm suspecting it's not reliable for live situation.

thanks for the reply

[os]

I'll try to have a look into this problem. I can't think what it would be though.
How long does it take to stop responding? 5 minutes? An hour?
If you had a simple song that I could use to reproduce this that would be helpful - I'm not a Logic user by choice and it would take me a while even to figure out how to set up automation.

[gpiccolini]

...I can send you the logic song if you want... You don't need any wav to make it happen because the delay is for a live input..., so it will be like 2mb. I discovered that part of my problems was that for some reason Augustus switched its internal division to 1/32 and then it was looping for one bar long instead of eight as it was automated. The division parameter wasn't automated nor touched, so maybe some reset command made the switch or whatever..., I already fixed it automating it at 1/4 and now it works as intented, but I discovered a new thing driving me crazy:

The song starts with a clear loop command wich is received by Augustus (red light), also have the beat divisor fixed to 4, beats to 32 and master feedback starts at 34 and at the end goes to 100 (also received). I start playing and after 8 bars the repetitions start. If for some reason I stop and start again everything seens Ok until I press the pedal that opens the send to Augustus (I'm using Augustus in a bus to be able to send more stuff to it)... then it starts to play the previously recorded loop that shuld be erased by the clear loop command at the begining... To add to this, the auto clear auto fade programmed at the end of the song neither seem to do the trick ... I have set both positions in order to see if it does, but no luck yet... Maybe I'm a novice with the pluggin and not doing stuff correctly, but I'm definetly not a novice with Logic ...

to summarize: automation seems to work but I'm having quirks... My main problem now is can't find a reliable way to erase the loop... clear loop is an instant command or a real time one? Because the moment the loop restarts it caught the programmed feedback and don't stop... maybe it's the typical claring buffers problem that Logic has... some input on this is vital to me...

let me know if you want the song.

[os]

Thanks for the detail.

The clear loop command is not instant - it takes a while to work. This is to avoid CPU spikes. If you watch the output level meter, you'll see that it "counts down" during a clear loop. Also the button stays 'lit' for the duration of the clear. Set the Max Delay to something big and you'll really notice this.

There are possibly other things going on here. As I understand it, when you stop a song in Logic, it completely stops sending data to the plugins. This is unlike, say, Live, which continues to send audio through the plugins even when stopped. The upshot of this is if Augustus is doing something like a clear loop that takes time, and you stop the Logic song, you stop Augustus doing its thing.

Lastly, there's a known issue in all my plugins, that they don't respond to a reset in the way that Logic expects them to. This could be why, when you go back to the start of the song, you get some of the previous looping audio. This is something I can definitely do something about.

Does any of that help?

[os]

As I understand it, when you stop a song in Logic, it completely stops sending data to the plugins.

That's completely wrong, sorry about that. Ignore that paragraph.

I've uploaded a beta of a new version of Augustus Loop, which properly implements a reset call. It should now be properly reset on playback start - so no more random material in the loop if you restart playback.

http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downlo ... _6_4b1.tgz

Let me know if this helps.


cheers,
os.

[os]

PS to be clear - with this version you shouldn't need a Clear Loop at the start of the song - it will always be cleared anyway.

[gpiccolini]

...if this isn't support then I don't know what it is

I'll try it right now ...almost 2 am... so I expect some user errors LOL

thanks !!!

BTW: the pluggin is incredible...really... I assume it's not easy to make it work with every plattform.

I'll let you know

[gpiccolini]

...something more while I'm online:
Logic don't stop sending data to the pluggins when it's in stop mode... I'll clarify: There are a few different types on channels in Logic:
-Vsti (or AUi)
-regular audio channels
-Busses
-and.... Live input... these are like real desk channels... if you play it sounds... and it goes to the busses.
-there are more types of channels in logic, but we can chat about them later...

I'm using live input so it passes audio to the buss even instop mode... and I have Augustus on a buss

.

[gpiccolini]

---it doesn't work... I dlded, unzipped or whatever... put the ExSlAugustusLoop.component file where the AU pluggins are and Logic gives an error and the pluggin don't work at all... restored the old one and we're all family again...

...well it's friday night

[os]

That's odd. I just downloaded the plugin myself, and it appears to work OK.
What exactly is not working? Could you try downloading it again?

[os]

<sigh> You're right, it fails au validation. Not sure why Logic isn't picking up on that when I run it, but if I run auval by itself it fails.
Will try to fix that over the weekend.

[pboy]

gpiccolini,

When you're saying you are "automating" the plug-in, do you mean that you have been writing automation data into the hosting Logic bus, that you do it in real-time by Logic's Automation Quick Access or binding input midi events to functions?

[os]

Please try this one, which passes auval:

http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/downlo ... _6_4b2.tgz

cheers,
os.