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xtp · Post by **xtp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:17 am

woke up this mornin with a scale banging around inside my head.

works out as d,e,g,a,c,d

which is the notes of a c major pentatonic, but it definately is resolving in d the way i am hearing it.

Is this a mode of the Petatonic scale or ... is it known as something else.

someone lend me your knowledge please...

cheers in advance.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:30 am

DEGACD is just a set of notes that belongs to D minor... the root, second, fourth, fifth, seventh, and octave. So it could really be seen as a set of notes from D minor; like a melody that doesn't chance to use the F or Bb that are also in the scale.

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:52 am

Cheers T.

I guess i wasnt seeing at as d minor scale because of the abscence of the third.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:04 am

No, I wouldn't say it's D minor necessarily. There's a lack of the third in this tonality that leaves whether it might be a major or minor third open.

Personally I'd call it the 2nd mode of C major pentatonic.

Watto · Post by **Watto** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:08 am

Yep, me too - when you have no third, you can't really call it a minor chord.

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:09 am

Gregjazz wrote:No, I wouldn't say it's D minor necessarily. There's a lack of the third in this tonality that leaves whether it might be a major or minor third open.

Personally I'd call it the 2nd mode of C major pentatonic.

that was the light i was viewing it in. I guess putting into a composition is the best idea.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:17 am

I can't add much of use to what Greg and Simon have said except I can give you some alternate names for the scale...

Yo
Suspended Pentatonic
Raga Madhyamavati
Madhmat Sarang
Megh
Egyptian
Shang
Rui Bin
Jin Yu
Qing Yu

Like I said, not much use but it gives you a feel for it's use in different cultures.

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:24 am

Thanks to nuffink, and his link in another thread

This is the scale name i was after.

Yo

or known as

Suspended Pentatonic, Raga Madhyamavati, Madhmat Sarang, Egyptian, Rui Bin, Jin Yu, Qing Yu

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:25 am

nuffink wrote:I can't add much of use to what Greg and Simon have said except I can give you some alternate names for the scale...

Yo
Suspended Pentatonic
Raga Madhyamavati
Madhmat Sarang
Megh
Egyptian
Shang
Rui Bin
Jin Yu
Qing Yu

Like I said, not much use but it gives you a feel for it's use in different cultures.

you beat me to it you bugger, cheers nuffink. [note to self:must learn to type faster]

JumpingJackFlash · Post by **JumpingJackFlash** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:02 pm

The notes also make up set 5-35(12) in Set-Theoretic Analysis.

If anyone cares, this set happens to be the complement of set 7-35, the set which contains all the notes of the standard major scale. In other words, in this case, the notes DEGAC are all the notes (and the only notes) which are not contained within the diatonic major scale starting on Gb (or the natural minor scale starting on Eb).

Laura Smith · Post by **Laura Smith** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:21 am

It's actually "A" pentatonic.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:09 pm

Laura Smith wrote:It's actually "A" pentatonic.

No. A pentatonic (major) would be A, B, Db, E, Gb

Though it is the 3rd mode of A Minor Pentatonic

JumpingJackFlash · Post by **JumpingJackFlash** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:38 pm

nuffink wrote:
Laura Smith wrote:It's actually "A" pentatonic.
No. A pentatonic (major) would be A, B, Db, E, Gb

Splitting hairs, that would technically be C# and F# in A major, not Db and Gb.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:44 pm

JumpingJackFlash wrote:
nuffink wrote:
Laura Smith wrote:It's actually "A" pentatonic.
No. A pentatonic (major) would be A, B, Db, E, Gb
Splitting hairs, that would technically be C# and F# in A major, not Db and Gb.

Why's that? Not that I don't believe you but I don't know the convention.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:53 pm

nuffink wrote:
JumpingJackFlash wrote:
nuffink wrote:
Laura Smith wrote:It's actually "A" pentatonic.
No. A pentatonic (major) would be A, B, Db, E, Gb
Splitting hairs, that would technically be C# and F# in A major, not Db and Gb.
Why's that? Not that I don't believe you but I don't know the convention.

Well, a 'third' is named with respect to a diatonic sol/fa structure. So the third note above 'A' is 'C'. If the third is sharpened it still has the same letter name because it is still a diatonic third, only altered.

The ways of enharmonia are mysterious, and require humility from it's adepts.

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