KVR Audio

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:27 am

Ok, so I've been searching around for some answers on the best ways to do this. I'm contemplating a purchase or two if needed for this. But I wanted to ask real quick and see what others do.

Basically, I want to find the easiest way to slice, remove silence, and export as individual files with a particular naming convention. Right now, I have Tracktion, Sonar, and Podium. I also have EXT, but I'm trying to sell that(anyone interested?).

Right now, I've been exploring the Audiosnap stuff and other features of the above programs. I've also been considering the tab to transient features in Reaper as a possibility.

So what do you do? Or maybe you have a good way of working with the above listed programs that you may want to share?

This will be for free sample sets, with commercial libraries coming later. I'm working with some people to get some of these in the works.

So I would appreciate any help, ideas, or affordable methods of doing this in an efficient way.

Thanks guys!

Brent

Mr. Tunes · Post by **Mr. Tunes** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:28 am

i was just looking at the FL Edison plugin cause it's mentioned a lot on these boards. does anyone know if it's still included in the juice pack? the fl website doesn't really suggest that it is.

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2340.html
http://www.image-line.com/documents/juicepack.html

Distorted_Mastermind · Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:07 am

Any audio editor will do that without a problem. I use Sound Forge for that, but Audacity will do the trick for free.

blortblort · Post by **blortblort** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:23 am

Mr. Tunes wrote:i was just looking at the FL Edison plugin cause it's mentioned a lot on these boards. does anyone know if it's still included in the juice pack? the fl website doesn't really suggest that it is.

fear not! it IS still included. While Edison is not "listed" as part of the group on the IL page, when you click on the order button and "unfold" to see the juicepak description...

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:55 am

Sorry, I just got home and haven't checked yet. Isn't that Edison just for FL customers? Maybe I am just speaking from not knowing.

As for audio editors, I have used Soundforge, and it has an auto-region function that almost does the job, but no matter how much I tried at that time, it wouldn't cut very close. Besides, I can't afford Soundforge right now. I've been lucky to use it and Audacity through my job and other places, but don't have a license myself. So even if it had worked perfectly, I can't afford that.

I don't remember Audacity doing that though. I'll check it out just to see. Although I have NEVER been a fan of Audacity. It has never clicked with me.

So keep the suggestions coming. And please correct me if there is something that I'm missing with a current application. I'm just wanting something that can find the starting point automatically(preferred) and allow me to then export each "slice" as it's own file.

I'll go check some things out now. I appreciate the help.

Brent

Mr. Tunes · Post by **Mr. Tunes** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:57 am

koolkeys wrote:Sorry, I just got home and haven't checked yet. Isn't that Edison just for FL customers? Maybe I am just speaking from not knowing.

no they're selling the vsts for anyone to use i believe, not just inside FL. also look into phatmatik pro and also the dicer/microdicer line from concretefx. i've also been reading in magazines how people are using the samplers inside ableton live for this sort of thing - you can cut a region out of any audio file on the timeline and drag it into impulse or simpler but it looks like a bit of work especially if you want all the transients in a loop.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:06 am

Well, I'm not making loops, but I am considering looping tools if they can do it. I'm looking at the region features in Wavosaur, and they seem to be doing pretty well for the most part. I'm still trying to figure out a couple of things though.

With Audacity, I remembered why I didn't like it. The interface is just unruly for me. No zoom with mouse wheel? That's essential in a wave editor, IMO. And the regions features are just not smooth to use for me.

So I'll look at those ones you listed and see what they can do. Thanks.

Brent

Andywanders · Post by **Andywanders** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:14 am

koolkeys wrote:...As for audio editors, I have used Soundforge, and it has an auto-region function that almost does the job, but no matter how much I tried at that time, it wouldn't cut very close. Besides, I can't afford Soundforge right now. I've been lucky to use it and Audacity through my job and other places, but don't have a license myself. So even if it had worked perfectly, I can't afford that...

Hey Brent, have you tried Wavesurgeon..?

http://www.harmony-central.com/Software ... rgeon.html

It's a bit old now (but then so am I) but it still does a good job of slicing. The demo version is almost un-crippled

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:24 am

Have you tried WaveKnife ?
Dunno about the naming scheme but if you don't find any program that does the naming as you want it i'll volounteer to make you one.
It's really easy.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:38 am

Hmmm, I tried that and it seems to do alright. It does do what I'm wanting it to do. Does the evaluation version expire? I can't seem to tell, and the registered versions don't have anything I need. It also doesn't seem to find the zero crossings, but pretty close. It seems that most tools for this don't get right up on the first sample, no matter how much I tweak the settings. So I'll keep trying.

Maybe I'm wanting too much?

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:44 am

That last message was about WaveSurgeon, not Waveknife. I haven't tried that yet, but I'm going to do that now.

Brent

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:57 am

Brent,

ReCycle does exactly what you seem to be talking about.

You open your audio file with it and set a slider that auto detects transients. You can also set your own markers. You then set the number of bars and the time sig and export it. It exports each slice according to the naming convention: filename slice# (that is, an audio file called 'clip_1.wav' with 4 slices would be exported as 'clip_1 001.wav', 'clip_1 002.wav', 'clip_1 003.wav', and 'clip_1 004.wav'). It also can export a midi file with the timing information from the clip.

Depending on how you set it up, it can add a little 'tail' to each slice to keep it from ending abruptly.

But this only works easily with audio with obvious transients.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:08 am

By the way, I know of no program that will find 'the last zero crossings before a transient' as accurately as I would like, but ReCycle seems to use a sort of auto-fade-in that renders this problem less, well, problematic.

Of course ReCycle isn't free, but it is almost a necessary tool for sample developers in the present market anyway, so....

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:24 am

Yeah, out of my price range right now, but I'll keep it in mind if I ever get more commercial libraried out there.

Just curious, but how close do YOU get your samples to make them work the best? I've been zooming in and cutting samples right at the first sample before the silence ends at the beginning of a sample. Am I just being too anal about this?

Brent

Andywanders · Post by **Andywanders** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:00 am

koolkeys wrote:...Does the evaluation version expire?

No...

koolkeys wrote:Maybe I'm wanting too much?

Yeah...

But there's nowt wrong with that.

Sample slicing for sample libraries- how do you do it?