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What the topic says.

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Cheers, and I hope you enjoy Bagels and all the other entries!
Last edited by stefancrs on Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
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If you're running Live you might want to use this DLL instead of the one on the KVRDC page for Bagels:
http://stefan.hallen.googlepages.com/Bagels.dll

It fixes two bugs with the preset management (crashing and whatnot upon preset change)
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Sweet :)
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stefancrs;i'm not sure my presets were anything earth-shattering,but if i get something a bit different i'll send them over.
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Coolers.
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hey! i really love this synth... it's cool for some e-piano or bell sounds but i think it's better for noises or industrial sounds... playing with bagels yesterday i was really impressed by 'how harsh' it can be!!
congrats stefan (and thank you) !!!...
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Oooh, feel free to make presets for it :) It desperately needs'em!
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ok so i've uploaded some of the sounds i've made with Bagels...
only 8 presets in .fxp
not very good so feel free to use it or not!

link is here


:wink:
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If it's not asking for too much, it'd be easier if you used the internal preset manager and saved them as .txt files. These can be loaded in the stand-alone version too!

edit: nevermind, I can do that later. Re-export them I mean. It goes just as much effort into doing it for me as for you, so asking you for it is just lazy :)
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oh and i forgot to say : i want a LFO !!!!!

so if you plan to add more features a lfo would be great, because i've used many automation with bagels to create more interesting sounds (and too many automations cause huge cpu glitches on my pc!!)...
it would be really cool to assign a lfo to cutoff; res; dist; pan; and maybe vibrato!

it's just a litlle idea...because it's an excellent plug without lfo!!!!

Jack
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Oh, I've got ideas for making something much bigger out of this. But that will be a different synth and it won't happen soon. I've started prioritizing my projects, so I have a number of things I need to deal with first. I found that working on too many projects simultaneously really doesn't work for me :) And I've got, what, five VST projects that needs to get finished. Bagels being the one being nearest being finished, implementation wise. But it's not the top-most project on my priority list :)

Tweaking the cutoff for the noise source is very useful for harder sounds, so I get where you're coming from :)
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I like Bagel
http://www.box.net/shared/5563qs95ey
sorry for the format - it's just what's available to me right now. I can suss them out later at home. A small bank of 16. Pads/hits/other

As for feedback:
I like the sound, of course :) It is grand for harmonic pads, and of course bell/mallet sounds.
With a little chorus and reverb it is a great ambience generator. I like the ability to turn all three osc/filter banks on/off. (I liked making mallet sounds with noise tailing off that sounds like reverb.) I like having such a wide note range +/- 5oct and +/- 16 notes!

things I wish for!
-finer control over the envelopes - I like the graphic multipoint env., but it is really sensitive.
-I would also love the individual osc adsr to have a greater range, so that oscillators could fade in much later, feel more independent.
-an lfo to modulate osc volume. (and the other things JS mentioned!) If you could modulate the filter curve, then i would laugh as my cpu cries, I'm sure :hihi:.
-I assume there is an envelope issue: I get lots of clicks, sometimes on note retrigger. Perhaps its the attack?
-Gui issue- a clear way to set vibrato and fine tuning to "0", just for my own tuning insecurities :)

thanks stefan :)
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ohh, and a psuedo-feature request......
if each harmonic had it's own envelope, you could create a kind of additive beast! :hihi:

16 presets (lost in the page flip)
http://www.box.net/shared/5563qs95ey
Last edited by ouroboros on Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:58 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Quick reply before I go to bed!
ouroboros wrote: things I wish for!
-finer control over the envelopes - I like the graphic multipoint env., but it is really sensitive.
-Gui issue- a clear way to set vibrato and fine tuning to "0", just for my own tuning insecurities :)
1) You know you can zoom in and out, right? Click-and-hold the scrollbar and push your mouse up and down
2) Ctrl-leftclick

Thanks for the great feedback, I will get back to the rest of the stuff later, hopefully :)
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i don't really get the patch thing,is it ok to send the text?
dadaphone.txt....
Preset Table Format
Number of programs = 1
Number of parameters = 113

Parameter Type dadophone
Filter-Cutoff Float 0.650000
Filter-Resonance Float 0.659375
Filter-Type Float 0.400000
LFO_Speed Float 0.762500
VolEnv-X Array Float Array (32)
1 0.000000
2 0.000000
3 0.344387
4 0.361224
5 0.850880
6 0.200000
7 0.200000
8 0.200000
9 0.200000
10 0.200000
11 0.200000
12 0.200000
13 0.200000
14 0.200000
15 0.200000
16 0.200000
17 0.200000
18 0.200000
19 0.200000
20 0.200000
21 0.200000
22 0.200000
23 0.200000
24 0.200000
25 0.200000
26 0.200000
27 0.200000
28 0.200000
29 0.200000
30 0.200000
31 0.200000
32 0.200000
VolEnv-Y Array Float Array (32)
1 1.000000
2 0.000000
3 0.729728
4 0.729728
5 1.000000
6 1.000000
7 1.000000
8 1.000000
9 1.000000
10 1.000000
11 1.000000
12 1.000000
13 1.000000
14 1.000000
15 1.000000
16 1.000000
17 1.000000
18 1.000000
19 1.000000
20 1.000000
21 1.000000
22 1.000000
23 1.000000
24 1.000000
25 1.000000
26 1.000000
27 1.000000
28 1.000000
29 1.000000
30 1.000000
31 1.000000
32 1.000000
VolEnv-Curve Array Float Array (32)
1 0.700000
2 0.700000
3 0.500000
4 0.800000
5 0.500000
6 0.500000
7 0.500000
8 0.500000
9 0.500000
10 0.500000
11 0.500000
12 0.500000
13 0.500000
14 0.500000
15 0.500000
16 0.500000
17 0.500000
18 0.500000
19 0.500000
20 0.500000
21 0.500000
22 0.500000
23 0.500000
24 0.500000
25 0.500000
26 0.500000
27 0.500000
28 0.500000
29 0.500000
30 0.500000
31 0.500000
32 0.500000
VolEnv-Sustain On Float 1.000000
VolEnv-Sections Float 0.250000
VolEnv-Retrigger Float 0.000000
VolEnv-Sustain Start Float 0.125000
VolEnv-Sustain Off Float 0.187500
VolEnv-Polarity Float 0.000000
VolEnv-Zoom Level Float 12.900017
Bank1-Mod-Vel Float 0.678125
Bank1-Mod-Vibrato Float 0.500000
Bank1-Flt4-detuner-overtone Float 0.294118
Bank1-Flt4-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank1-Flt4-Q Float 6.468750
Bank1-Flt4-G Float 2.093750
Bank1-Flt3-detuner-overtone Float 0.823529
Bank1-Flt3-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank1-Flt3-Q Float 1.125000
Bank1-Flt3-G Float 1.937500
Bank1-Flt1-detuner-overtone Float 0.000000
Bank1-Flt1-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank1-Flt1-Q Float 9.968748
Bank1-Flt1-G Float 2.218747
Bank1-Flt2-detuner-overtone Float 0.176471
Bank1-Flt2-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank1-Flt2-Q Float 5.218750
Bank1-Flt2-G Float 2.812500
Bank1-NoiseEnv-Attack Float 0.046875
Bank1-NoiseEnv-Decay Float 0.681250
Bank1-NoiseEnv-Sustain Float 0.496875
Bank1-NoiseEnv-Release Float 0.512500
Bank1-NoiseEnv-Gain Float 0.468750
Bank1-Dist Float 0.109375
Bank1-Volume Float 0.550000
Bank1-Mode Float 0.000000
Bank1-detuner-semi Float 0.666667
Bank1-detuner-octave Float 0.363636
Bank1-detuner-Fine Float 0.471875
Bank1-Peak/Noise Float 1.000000
Bank1-Pan Float 0.503125
Bank1-OnOff Float 1.000000
Peak_decay Float 0.478125
Peak_shape Float 0.231250
Bank2-Mod-Vel Float 0.843750
Bank2-Mod-Vibrato Float 0.653125
Bank2-Flt4-detuner-overtone Float 0.705882
Bank2-Flt4-detuner-Fine Float 0.403125
Bank2-Flt4-Q Float 0.250000
Bank2-Flt4-G Float 3.312501
Bank2-Flt3-detuner-overtone Float 0.823529
Bank2-Flt3-detuner-Fine Float 0.553125
Bank2-Flt3-Q Float 0.656250
Bank2-Flt3-G Float 0.437501
Bank2-Flt1-detuner-overtone Float 0.117647
Bank2-Flt1-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank2-Flt1-Q Float 1.500000
Bank2-Flt1-G Float 2.593750
Bank2-Flt2-detuner-overtone Float 0.117647
Bank2-Flt2-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank2-Flt2-Q Float 0.187500
Bank2-Flt2-G Float 4.968750
Bank2-NoiseEnv-Attack Float 0.028125
Bank2-NoiseEnv-Decay Float 0.550000
Bank2-NoiseEnv-Sustain Float 0.075000
Bank2-NoiseEnv-Release Float 0.575000
Bank2-NoiseEnv-Gain Float 0.562500
Bank2-Dist Float 0.106250
Bank2-Volume Float 0.703125
Bank2-Mode Float 0.000000
Bank2-detuner-semi Float 0.250000
Bank2-detuner-octave Float 0.727273
Bank2-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank2-Peak/Noise Float 0.712500
Bank2-Pan Float 0.712500
Bank2-OnOff Float 1.000000
Bank3-Mod-Vel Float 0.471875
Bank3-Mod-Vibrato Float 0.581250
Bank3-Flt4-detuner-overtone Float 0.941176
Bank3-Flt4-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank3-Flt4-Q Float 0.000000
Bank3-Flt4-G Float 1.531250
Bank3-Flt3-detuner-overtone Float 0.823529
Bank3-Flt3-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank3-Flt3-Q Float 0.718750
Bank3-Flt3-G Float 1.406250
Bank3-Flt1-detuner-overtone Float 0.117647
Bank3-Flt1-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank3-Flt1-Q Float 0.906250
Bank3-Flt1-G Float 0.625001
Bank3-Flt2-detuner-overtone Float 0.235294
Bank3-Flt2-detuner-Fine Float 0.412500
Bank3-Flt2-Q Float 1.093750
Bank3-Flt2-G Float 2.875000
Bank3-NoiseEnv-Attack Float 0.859375
Bank3-NoiseEnv-Decay Float 0.837500
Bank3-NoiseEnv-Sustain Float 0.731250
Bank3-NoiseEnv-Release Float 0.450000
Bank3-NoiseEnv-Gain Float 0.575000
Bank3-Dist Float 0.128125
Bank3-Volume Float 0.550000
Bank3-Mode Float 0.000000
Bank3-detuner-semi Float 1.000000
Bank3-detuner-octave Float 1.000000
Bank3-detuner-Fine Float 0.712500
Bank3-Peak/Noise Float 0.712500
Bank3-Pan Float 0.712500
Bank3-OnOff Float 1.000000
Polyphony Float 0.166667
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