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dreaddd
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Postby dreaddd; Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:06 pm The Battery free and payware alternative thread

so...ATM I'm on the haunt for finding out an alternative to NI Battery, after ages i was struggling inside to decide if buying it or not...
i'm more and more interested of getting away from certain developers protection methods that imply pain in the arse to the paying customers, so, since Battery was the only product by NI i was still considering, im trying and see to find out a decent alternative... if free, well, that would rock..

what I need?
-basic layering, i wont use any realistic method of layers: i do electronic music, hence i dont need to "fake" a real drummer..therefore no need of doing a 3 layer pad at different velocities for a snare to assure some kind of life on the dynamic, etc etc...
it will be only STRAIGHT samples, only tweaked on envelope and that's all..
-ADSR envelope for every drum pad (if it wasnt for this feature i would have chose already AngularMomentum Virtuadrumz maybe)
-at least 6 mono outs, eventually no need of a stereo output: i dont care if there s a supadupa internal mixer, i wont mix drums on a stereo output from inside an instrument, ever...

what i dont need?
-no need of importing strange formats, even less importing RX2..i will import ONLY wav...
(my opinions on the RX2 import and many other features on Battery: do 2 versions, one cutdown CHEAPER version without library, rx2 import and other pointless things if someone has already other samplers, and the full one for the ones that wanna rely on Battery for everything...i think your sales on the cheaper one will start raising after a nanosecond from the release...).
-no need of library, i will use only not-internal sounds...
-no need either of sound generation... i will only use samples..
-no need of step sequencer inside


the closest to this kind of description could actually be Nusofting DK+..
im having a try now with the good ole Muon SR202 either, but, honestly, on some things i find that needing an eventual lift...
Virtuadrumz: as i said, i find it nice and it would fit for a lot of aspects if it wasnt for the no ADSR envelope halt...
I'm in the process of starting out a try with DrModus, that i surprisingly almost ignored when released...

so anyway...what would you guys suggest as sort-of Battery surrogate along the features i listed?

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dougsyo
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Postby dougsyo; Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:40 pm

I first got RM3, then DK+, then Jamstix. While mostly I use Jamstix, I can't fault RM3 for simplicity - although DK+ has more features and was less expensive.

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Postby PaulG; Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:47 pm

Shortcircuit?
keyman_sam
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Postby keyman_sam; Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:51 pm

OP, you're DESCRIBING Shortcircuit right here. Its perfect - mono outs, no library, wave import, ADSR envelopes, layering, and what not.

And best of all - its *drumroll* FREE!!

http://www.vemberaudio.se/shortcircuit.php


Psst..it has battery1 import type too. :D
dreaddd
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Postby dreaddd; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:00 pm

hi guys .

thanx for all the replies so far...
let me clarify my first post a little bit more, as it may be not that clear on that side...
i m after a drum(single sounds)-aimed sampler, as i own already both HALion and PhatmatikPro...so definitely i considered mostly the most drum-aimed of all the bunch...Shortcircuit is nice and everything but its a generic sampler...i.e. it takes a lot more to develop drum kits over there and its not that intuitive and quick on the workflow(IMO) ...i need a somehow more drum-related GUI as interface, otherwise i would head towards HALion..
i agree Shortcircuit is supa sweet tho :)
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keyman_sam
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Postby keyman_sam; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:09 pm

dreaddd wrote:hi guys .

thanx for all the replies so far...
let me clarify my first post a little bit more, as it may be not that clear on that side...
i m after a drum(single sounds)-aimed sampler, as i own already both HALion and PhatmatikPro...so definitely i considered mostly the most drum-aimed of all the bunch...Shortcircuit is nice and everything but its a generic sampler...i.e. it takes a lot more to develop drum kits over there and its not that intuitive and quick on the workflow(IMO) ...i need a somehow more drum-related GUI as interface, otherwise i would head towards HALion..
i agree Shortcircuit is supa sweet tho :)
Peace


ahh..gotcha...GURU perhaps?
Lotuzia
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Postby Lotuzia; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:15 pm

Hi,

Maybe you could consider FxPansion DR-008 ?

Has all you want except only AR EV.

And has TWO terrific feature : Browse in place (You can play the beat and browse all your snares). And you can mix drumkits.(as opposed to Battery behaviour "when I load a drumkit it erases the current one" :roll: )

Very precise, fast and accurate audio engine ( as opposed to the first Battery for example who wasn't too responsive to playing)

As well as a bunch of little drum synths to build electro weirdos.

Allways found it was the best drum machine with Battery. Very sorry they stopped the dev of this one.

Now Battery has far more possibilities and I use it daily but for basic edrums I still think nothing can beat old Dr-008 (though to be honnest I don't test every little new box beeing released)

Hope this helps.

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Postby dreaddd; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:22 pm

Guru actually, has way too many features i dont need...as stated: i dont need step sequencing or using rx2, plus tons of other features that are inside Guru aswell as inside Battery, not even mentioning the price :P

i need ONLY to play drum sounds at least 6, the perfect would be 8, on separate outs...
no dynamic involved (all the velocities will be 127 apart from eventually hihats and a snare)
no loop importing. i have Phatmatik for that
no step sequencing, i program my drum patterns on cubase directly
just at least 8 drum pads and ADSR for every drum sounds...i can live without any inside filter or compression, im much covered in that department already with pluggies ;)
DKplus so far seems the most similar to my ideal for that, ill give again a try to the other freeware pluggies i quoted before...but anyway open to alternatives...
i should beg AngularMomentum to introduce ADSR on Virtuadrumz 1.3 actually, maybe :P

thanx everybody for the help so far :)
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allofdrab
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Postby allofdrab; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:30 pm

Aside from only having four stereo outs, Drumlar and its sp modules might do.
http://www.redshiftaudio.com/html/drumular.html
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Postby allofdrab; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:32 pm

nevermind, i just learned to read.
triple p
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Postby triple p; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:53 pm

What about the Drum machine released in this years dev challenge? I think it fits the bill.
Lemme get the name and i will edit and add it in.
dreaddd
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Postby dreaddd; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:55 pm

hehhehe coool thanx as well to anyone of you ;)

i already cut off the list the AndreasErsson stuff , not that its not nice, actually quite the opposite IMO, but it doesnt fit my needs...
Tatapoum is another possible candidate i tested but it keeps on having random crashes here and there so i def quit that one
already took a look and cut them off the list: AM virtuadrumz, Audiorealism ADM, Cfx Granite, Guru, PM Cortex, Redshiftaudio 's drumular and vendetta and Saffron from FrettedAudio..
i wish that DK plus had some options to convert the 3 stereos into 1 stereo and 4 monos....that would be perfect to me..
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triple p
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Postby triple p; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:57 pm

Dr.Modus is the one from the dev challenge. I think it may work for you.
Yes, Dr.Modus is the name.
dreaddd
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Postby dreaddd; Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:58 pm

yes its one of the left candidates on tests here :)
still i'm amazed i didnt consider that one before when released...
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JamminFool
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Postby JamminFool; Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:41 pm

dreaddd wrote:i wish that DK plus had some options to convert the 3 stereos into 1 stereo and 4 monos....that would be perfect to me..
Peace out


i love DK+, but i thought you didn't want a step sequencer and i don't think it has ADSR per drum pad (since you eliminated VituaDrumz based on this...)

shortcircuit2, while only in alpha state, has a pad-view which makes it much more drum-oriented than SC1.
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