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electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:34 am

Looking for a dedicated ARP Solina VSTI emu.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:47 am

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:53 am

I odn't know any which are 100% Solina.

The good old Stringer is amazing (and you also get Trident, etc)
M-audio has released one which is sample-based.
There is an excellent Reaktor5 ensemble, too.

Blank_Frank · Post by **Blank_Frank** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:02 pm

Wombat.

No, I'm not being personal - it's a link.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:28 pm

Blank_Frank wrote:Wombat.

No, I'm not being personal - it's a link.

I didn't know this one.
THank you.
Did you sample your own Solina ?

Blank_Frank · Post by **Blank_Frank** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:33 pm

No, it's not mine...just something I remember downloading a while back...

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:44 pm

Ok, thanks for the info and the pugin !

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:55 pm

Wombat is good for single notes, but doesn't let you combine the patches. Emulations are better than samples for chords.

Jim Y · Post by **Jim Y** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:23 pm

Not yet available...
http://nomadfactory.com/products/instru ... index.html
Looks like this will fulfil the requirement - not sampled, uses correct divide down pitch generation.

Jim

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:06 pm

It should be an easy VA to model cause it doesn't have a filter. The only challenge is to get the Chorus right.

Diek · Post by **Diek** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:24 pm

Not just a Solina but five string machines in one

Stringer

Pretty good sound.

BTW, be careful with the level, because presets tend to sound too loud

bobsled · Post by **bobsled** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:30 pm

Diek wrote:Not just a Solina but five string machines in one

Stringer

Pretty good sound.

BTW, be careful with the level, because presets tend to sound too loud

Stringer alt download

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:41 pm

electro wrote:The only challenge is to get the Chorus right.

by far not. i love stringmachines more than anyone on the planet (at least i assume this

), and there's 2 more hard things to nail in addition, to be able to successfully emulate a stringmachine ...

1. the osc's are by far no normal saw waves
2. the phase locking/syncing of the voices isn't easy to emulate

if those points are not respected, you won't end up with a real stringmachine sound ...

samples _cannot_ match the stringmachine sound, for one reason:
you mostly play chords on a stringmachine. as the modulator is applied to the summ of the voices in a real stringmachine, using a sample would multiply the modulator voices with each note in the chords, thus you end up with a smeared pad sound that won't sound like a stringmachine at all ...

i tried all so called stringmachine emulations in the plugin land, and there's only one that is close: the reaktor ensemble of the solina ... all others are faaar away from the sound of a real stringmachine ...

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:43 pm

Yes, I heard the Reaktor 5 emulation was very nice,

http://www.native-instruments.com/php/f ... ent-V_.mp3

http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... tchid=6747

Jim Y · Post by **Jim Y** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:55 pm

I would also agree that samples can't do it.

I don't have a real string machine anywhere near me, so I can't check the waveforms, but I would be very surprised if they actually were sawtooth as seems to be quoted by some developers. I don't know any easy way to get a sawtooth from divide down generators - they are digital (binary dividers using TTL or CMOS)! You can have a square wave, or if you AND gate a dividers output with the input, you can have a 25% pulse wave. I suspect the described "sawtooth" is the 25% pulse seen after some filtering.

The basic tones were produced from a single top octave generator - a high frequency master oscillator is divided by different ratios using multiple binary counts to produce the top octave - each lower octave is produced simply by dividing the octave above it by 2.
Playing chords with this system meant that adding a higher octave note could be more like an additional harmonic than a discrete sound. 5ths tended to sound much "firmer" than other intervals.

It would seem to me that any developer that has a true divide down engine for an organ sim already has the basis for a proper string machine. I think it's surprising the String Machine hasn't been comprehensively covered by the industry yet.

Jim

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