I tried to work in JB Smash Pro beta to see what it can do, right. Took me, well about instantly to understand it. Ran it on every track. Intense guitars, punchy bass, clear vocals with no hiss.
This and Ddmf Colour eq are the only plugs capable of such things. I hate eq's, they sound so poor-ish.
That's it. Great versatile fitter-in-the-mix type of thing.
JB Smash Pro is a superhero
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- KVRAF
- 8563 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
What does distort do - some kind of different release?
Messing with 20 bands is a little time consuming with the provided controls so I dialed it back to 10 bands and it's still a little time consuming.
I wouldn't mind being able to dial it down to 1 band. Also displayed freq range of band would be cool. Being able to reset band/bands to 0db, 1:1 ratio would be cool too. Simple manual/instructions, etc.
Just a couple of thoughts besides appreciating some great potential here!
Messing with 20 bands is a little time consuming with the provided controls so I dialed it back to 10 bands and it's still a little time consuming.
I wouldn't mind being able to dial it down to 1 band. Also displayed freq range of band would be cool. Being able to reset band/bands to 0db, 1:1 ratio would be cool too. Simple manual/instructions, etc.
Just a couple of thoughts besides appreciating some great potential here!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8563 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA
Yeah, 1-band would provide another possiblity.
When you turn on the distortion, you can notice the bands that show what they're doing in realtime go further. I'm not an expert on this but it definitely does that.
When you turn on the distortion, you can notice the bands that show what they're doing in realtime go further. I'm not an expert on this but it definitely does that.
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- KVRAF
- 7024 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
+1kylen wrote:I wouldn't mind being able to dial it down to 1 band.
+1kylen wrote:Also displayed freq range of band would be cool.
+1kylen wrote:Being able to reset band/bands to 0db, 1:1 ratio would be cool too. Simple manual/instructions, etc.
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
Pretty neat you're right. I wonder if Jason [ed. oops - I meant Jeroen] is taking any input on this or is it all finished.
Another thing that would help would be if I could add a bit of ratio to all the bands or certain selected bands by hitting a 'bump-it-up' type of button.
Maybe there's a way to get an 'expert' interface option for tweakers. Doing 20 bands with the current interface is somewhat of a science experiment the way it sits now...for me anyways...
Lots of potential - and it's pretty clean too (if you like).
Another thing that would help would be if I could add a bit of ratio to all the bands or certain selected bands by hitting a 'bump-it-up' type of button.
Maybe there's a way to get an 'expert' interface option for tweakers. Doing 20 bands with the current interface is somewhat of a science experiment the way it sits now...for me anyways...
Lots of potential - and it's pretty clean too (if you like).
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- KVRist
- 363 posts since 13 Apr, 2004 from NYC, USA
The bands SEEM more intimidating than they actually are. You can just sort of "sweep" with your mouse over a given area and it responds well. Don't think of it as a bunch of separate bands, think of it as areas of the frequency spectrum you either want to change or you don't.
Not saying dialing down bands is a bad idea. Just saying the bands are more fluid than they appear.
Cool work, this plug! Love the sound of the distortion, though I would LOVE to be able to dial in amounts, and not just have it be an ON or OFF affair.
Cheers.
Not saying dialing down bands is a bad idea. Just saying the bands are more fluid than they appear.
Cool work, this plug! Love the sound of the distortion, though I would LOVE to be able to dial in amounts, and not just have it be an ON or OFF affair.
Cheers.
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- KVRist
- 285 posts since 14 Sep, 2006
I hear you 
I'm very glad to hear that the plug has potential!
It's all still in a very experimental stage; especially the
employed signal decomposition is quite tricky and
needs some fine tuning (it's not based on 'standard' filterbanks
or FFTs).
The interaction with the bands will be extended with key-mouse
combinations to reset, drag, or draw the lines. The analysis time
will be expanded to separate attack and release constants,
for all bands separately.
I would have to think about 1 band... This would completely
eliminate the incorporated signal decomposition and it would
boil down to .... Red Phatt Pro
I'm very glad to hear that the plug has potential!
It's all still in a very experimental stage; especially the
employed signal decomposition is quite tricky and
needs some fine tuning (it's not based on 'standard' filterbanks
or FFTs).
The interaction with the bands will be extended with key-mouse
combinations to reset, drag, or draw the lines. The analysis time
will be expanded to separate attack and release constants,
for all bands separately.
I would have to think about 1 band... This would completely
eliminate the incorporated signal decomposition and it would
boil down to .... Red Phatt Pro
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
songmonkey - yes I see what you mean about mouse sweeping, good point.
djeroen - I would probably like to dial down to 3 or 4 bands to be honest, I guess dialing down to 1 band would be just to see if the piece of music actually needs multi-band treatment. If the bass was pumping things too much I guess dialing down to 2 or 3 bands would fix that!
The thing I really like about Red Phatt Pro is its' ability to have both compression and expansion at the same time (via multi-point transfer curve). I'm trying to duplicate hardware dynamics expanders at the moment (dbx 3bx-ds and Pioneed RG-2) so that's the source of my interest. Anyway, a multiband Red Phatt Pro would be really exciting for me although right now I can make one in energyXTE or Console.
Back to Smash Pro!
djeroen - I would probably like to dial down to 3 or 4 bands to be honest, I guess dialing down to 1 band would be just to see if the piece of music actually needs multi-band treatment. If the bass was pumping things too much I guess dialing down to 2 or 3 bands would fix that!
The thing I really like about Red Phatt Pro is its' ability to have both compression and expansion at the same time (via multi-point transfer curve). I'm trying to duplicate hardware dynamics expanders at the moment (dbx 3bx-ds and Pioneed RG-2) so that's the source of my interest. Anyway, a multiband Red Phatt Pro would be really exciting for me although right now I can make one in energyXTE or Console.
Back to Smash Pro!
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- KVRist
- 363 posts since 13 Apr, 2004 from NYC, USA
Optomadic wrote:Thank goodness for that!djeroen wrote:(it's not based on 'standard' filterbanks
or FFTs).
1 to 3 bands would actually be useful.
Hmm, I guess I'm missing the point of that. Why not just use an ordinary multiband compressor if that's what you need?
I fear that if we simplify this plugin too much, it's quirky individuality will be lost. We need more plugins that are their own rad selves. That's one of the things I admire about this plugin.
Cheers.
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- KVRAF
- 6111 posts since 18 Oct, 2007
I was just thinking in terms of getting it under control. Obviously more bands is what makes this plugin special. Its just that pesky time constraint that keeps me from tweaking this to perfection . So I guess in a way I agree..
. So I guess in a way I agree..
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stay juicy!
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
True, that wouldn't be good either, especially if it messes with the sound.SongMonkey wrote: ...I fear that if we simplify this plugin too much, it's quirky individuality will be lost...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8563 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA
I think everyone can agree, the more modes the better. As long as doing that doesn't make it impossible to find a nice setting.
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- KVRAF
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
I just noticed that when I run a pink reference signal thru Smash I have a hockey stick pattern from about band 5 down to band 1. From band 5 or 6 up to the top band the spectrum is flat (horizontal).
One of the uses for Smash in my remastering process will be to 'repair' mixes. This often includes frequency bands where sounds jump out for a period of time and have to be 'limited' a bit. One of the ways to set the speed slow so the bands stabalize for setting the threshold.
Another way is if the spectrum analyzer on the plugin displays a little flatter (horizontal). If it takes more cpu to improve the flatness then it wouldn't be worth it IMO. I could just slow the speed down to set the threshold then move the threshold up or down assuming a grouping control is available.
I'm a Voxengo Soniformer user so a lot of my workflow comments come from that plugin. I can try to learn new tricks too though...
Just some more 2cents
One of the uses for Smash in my remastering process will be to 'repair' mixes. This often includes frequency bands where sounds jump out for a period of time and have to be 'limited' a bit. One of the ways to set the speed slow so the bands stabalize for setting the threshold.
Another way is if the spectrum analyzer on the plugin displays a little flatter (horizontal). If it takes more cpu to improve the flatness then it wouldn't be worth it IMO. I could just slow the speed down to set the threshold then move the threshold up or down assuming a grouping control is available.
I'm a Voxengo Soniformer user so a lot of my workflow comments come from that plugin. I can try to learn new tricks too though...
Just some more 2cents