What key are these progressions in?
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- KVRian
- 765 posts since 9 Jun, 2008 from Ireland
What key(s) are these chord progressions in?
Gm Bb C# D#
C G Am F
Gm F Dm C
Thanks.
Gm Bb C# D#
C G Am F
Gm F Dm C
Thanks.
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 19 Mar, 2004
Hard to say based on the limited context; I would say that if these were leading towards the end of a piece, the key signatures would be:Count_fuzzball wrote:What key(s) are these chord progressions in?
Gm Bb C# D#
C G Am F
Gm F Dm C
Thanks.
F major
C major
F major
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- KVRist
- 80 posts since 10 Jun, 2005
Let's start with the easy ones:
2. C major: I V vi IV. Nothing unusual about this one.
3. F Major: ii I vi V. vi in this case belongs to the subdominant harmonic "field" resulting in a plagal beginning S-T followed by a standard S-D. Only needs F at the end to complete this progression.
1. Looks more complicated on the surface, but C# and D# should really be Db and Eb. This results in the overall key of Bb:
vi I bIII (borrowed chord/mode mixture) IV. Only needs Bb at the end for a plagal cadence, or a F7 Bb for an authentic cadence.
2. C major: I V vi IV. Nothing unusual about this one.
3. F Major: ii I vi V. vi in this case belongs to the subdominant harmonic "field" resulting in a plagal beginning S-T followed by a standard S-D. Only needs F at the end to complete this progression.
1. Looks more complicated on the surface, but C# and D# should really be Db and Eb. This results in the overall key of Bb:
vi I bIII (borrowed chord/mode mixture) IV. Only needs Bb at the end for a plagal cadence, or a F7 Bb for an authentic cadence.
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 16 Apr, 2009 from Evanston, IL
I have some comments for the above kind reply. 1. It is in Bflat major ( but you could argue it is in its relative minor Gminor ) but I dont see why you need Bflat or F7 Bflat at the end to complete it. The MAJOR chord in the third mediant has a strong tendency to go to a minor chord in sixth (Gm). So this should be completed by Gminor. MAJOR chord in the third mediant is usually a base chord for melody subtonic
2. This is absolute correct. You can later add any chord to it because this chord is simply a variation of Canon chord. As long as in the end you bring it back to tonic. 3 is correct
2. This is absolute correct. You can later add any chord to it because this chord is simply a variation of Canon chord. As long as in the end you bring it back to tonic. 3 is correct
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- KVRist
- 80 posts since 10 Jun, 2005
Well, keep in mind these chord progressions don't have any context. We don't know where they appear in the piece.
So my comments simply reflects the way I could see this developing. Re: G minor for progression #1... Db chord does not belong to G minor (but it can be bIII in Bb major). As c# (diminished, for example) it could function as viio/V, but it is not diminished, so that solution is out. As Db, it could also be a nice chromatic chord N/IV, but this would need a resolution to C minor. Instead it goes to Eb. That's why the key of Bb works better. How to continue or end this progression -- again, it really depends more on your personal taste then anything else. You could modulate to a different key if you wanted to, for example.
Let say...
Bb: vi I bIII (borrowed chord/mode mixture) IV. Now, take that IV (Eb major chord), use it as a common chord (pivot) between Bb and Eb major, and just modulate to Eb by writing
Eb: ii (f minor) V7 (Bb7) I (Eb) or even i (eb minor) ending up in the key of eb minor that has 6 flats. The possibilities are almost endless.
So my comments simply reflects the way I could see this developing. Re: G minor for progression #1... Db chord does not belong to G minor (but it can be bIII in Bb major). As c# (diminished, for example) it could function as viio/V, but it is not diminished, so that solution is out. As Db, it could also be a nice chromatic chord N/IV, but this would need a resolution to C minor. Instead it goes to Eb. That's why the key of Bb works better. How to continue or end this progression -- again, it really depends more on your personal taste then anything else. You could modulate to a different key if you wanted to, for example.
Let say...
Bb: vi I bIII (borrowed chord/mode mixture) IV. Now, take that IV (Eb major chord), use it as a common chord (pivot) between Bb and Eb major, and just modulate to Eb by writing
Eb: ii (f minor) V7 (Bb7) I (Eb) or even i (eb minor) ending up in the key of eb minor that has 6 flats. The possibilities are almost endless.
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- KVRer
- 26 posts since 15 Feb, 2005
I think SWtrex provided a nice alternative for the first progression: F.
So then you have a quite typical progression in pop/rockmusic: ii (Gm) IV (Bb) bVI (Db) bVII (Eb), which would lead to I (F).
As others stated: there's very little context here, so we're just dealing with "plausibilities".
fred
So then you have a quite typical progression in pop/rockmusic: ii (Gm) IV (Bb) bVI (Db) bVII (Eb), which would lead to I (F).
As others stated: there's very little context here, so we're just dealing with "plausibilities".
fred