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Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:08 am

dubstep is the convergence of all electronic styles.

Isnt it ? Pretty much all styles that have been developped during the last
5 decades come together in todays dubstep. Its a groove based genre, but its sounds can be anything, without any limits. Its so weird to know lfo's for years and only now realizing its potential of expression.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:37 am

I completely disagree with that statement. "Psychedelic Dub" (think Shpongle, or Dub Trees) has been doing the same "anything goes" sound for at least 10 years. Before that it was someone else who's name I can't remember

Here is a very long transcript from a talk / lecture about electronic music. It is excellent, and hopefully it will illustrate that nothing has changed (for at least 20 years, but more like 40) - well worth a read:

http://www.olwill.com/?p=151

*edit: I think this version of the article is better, it has some fun pictures to go with it:

http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogs ... d-its.html

Peace,
Andy.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:53 am

All music I do is anything goes. so I don't have to call it anything or care what genre bin somebody like to put it in. it's music.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:33 am

From the linked article:

This utopianism of time is something that threads through the culture in strange loops because when you listen, as a fan, to stuff from all across its breadth and length, you sometimes get these uncanny timewarp sensations--you hear things in 1990 bleep tune that are future-ghosts of sounds in grime or dubstep or bassline. It's almost like any track from any point in the continuum contains all the past and all the future of this music inside it. Like DNA or something.

Perfect!! ... and as it happens, just around the point he mentions dub-step

Peace,
Andy.

Acid Mitch · Post by **Acid Mitch** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:14 am

Isn't Dub step just the latest name for Jungle or drum 'n bass ?

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:33 am

I wonder if Timbre really holds that limited and naive an understanding of music history, or whether this is just bait for another pointless argument.

sesshin · Post by **sesshin** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:21 am

all music in the last 5 decades??

I mean dubstep is cool and all, but come on, that's exaggerating somewhat.

really it's kind of it's own thing that just takes influence from a variety of sources. you could kind of say the same thing about electronic music in general, it's all just an amalgamation of every influence that came before it.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:24 pm

Here's some theory for yez:

When you insist on a label for something, naming it, that by definition "limits" it.

describing "style container __", = a narrowing manuever per se.

sometimes one has to narrow to even begin, the blank slate can be daunting. but to say, 'genre = you name it' and 'all styles contained herein' makes not a lot of sense.

if these types of characteristics were true: Musically, dubstep is distinguished by its 2step rhythm, or use of snare sounds similar to 2step garage and grime, and an emphasis on bass.

It ≠ 'utopianism'. You insist on 'style container', you have by definition made a decision to exclude.

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:06 pm

+2 a single name can't work

wakax · Post by **wakax** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:14 pm

dubstep is mostly sound design trend. most of it is not really "music" or experiment of any kind. ( check the dubstep remixes on youtube - 90 % are horrible ) - there are a few exceptions but most of it is the rise of mediocracy and copycats. It use to be covered in sort of utopian/dystopian speech but well - everything nowdays should have a "solid concept" behind, isn't it ...
There is no underground anymore - if even the underground has hits and stars and recipes.

i should add the funny "Rise of the Idiots", by Dan Ashcroft.

timbre: "without any limits"

lol.
ya - without any limits except wobbly dark bass / shuffled garage grim-ish drums / and ...

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:55 pm

liqih wrote:+2 a single name can't work

Aye. Apparently is dubstep

To me it sounds more like a modern take on a rootsy reggae sound and a million miles away from that clichéd midrange wobble stuff.

wakax · Post by **wakax** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:04 pm

The Bug - Poison Dart feat. Warrior Queen

good "dubstep"(!?!) track

also Borgore is quite inventive

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:06 pm

What about ambient death polka? Or flamenco tarnce-folk yodeling? I was promised by vurt that frying pan music was convergence of all electronic styles!

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:08 pm

Timbre wrote:dubstep is the convergence of all electronic styles.

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:50 pm

Since the OP has opened the floor to such bold assertions, I would like to point out that my music is the convergence of no musical style.