Hi Guys,
I was wondering if some of could help me out.
I would like to compose something diferent from the original and remixes already out there.
So I was wondering what is your "recipe"/technics to compose to an existing vocal.
I know you have to find the key first, I think it is E minor so we could use some G major chords sometimes to put the music up, right??
I know the chords/notes I could use but I am having a dificult time to put something together that go along well with the vocal and it is better then what is already out there.
Is this vocal that hard really?
Can you help me, like giving me some good chord progressions that should work on this vocal, not the trivial ones because I already test some.
I am not a musician like you guys, so with a existing vocal is possible to create another melody to go along well with it.
If so can you help me build something with this example?
This is the song and some variations/remixes:
(remix that made the music big)
(original)
(beautiful)
Thanks.
Tips to compose something diferent to a existing piece.
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- KVRist
- 441 posts since 30 Apr, 2007
Once you've established the key, you would want to figure out the chord progression. I don't do remixes, but I would bet that in the vast majority of cases, people don't mess with the chord progression. It's more a matter of what you are going to do with each chord... different voicings, riffs, rhythms, instruments, effects. Chord progression of this thing seems to be: Am7, Bm7, Em7 (two measures for this one). Repeat that about 64 times or so, throw the vocals on top, and maybe a bass drum on counts 1, 2, 2, and 4. 
Beyond that it is a creative process... what do I do with each of these chords to make it interesting and have my own sound?
Beyond that it is a creative process... what do I do with each of these chords to make it interesting and have my own sound?-
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 212 posts since 5 Jun, 2006
Hey Nysul, thanks for your answer I understand the majority of dance music doesn't have a lot of variations and chords progression, but that doesn't mean I don't wanna use it and how to apply that to an existing vocal, to apply to an existing melody I think is easier for me.
However this vocal is killing me I can't do anything good with it.
You think the 4-5-1 progression could solve this?
I would like to be able to hear the vocal and create another melody, and go along with that.
About remixes, if you think all house/trance producers doesn't apply that to their music, take a look at this:
That kind of stuff is amazing I would like to able to create/know how to do that kind of stuff with the vocal only, any tip?
However this vocal is killing me I can't do anything good with it.
You think the 4-5-1 progression could solve this?
I would like to be able to hear the vocal and create another melody, and go along with that.
About remixes, if you think all house/trance producers doesn't apply that to their music, take a look at this:
That kind of stuff is amazing I would like to able to create/know how to do that kind of stuff with the vocal only, any tip?
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- KVRist
- 441 posts since 30 Apr, 2007
My drummer's ears may have been way off on that progression. I do think that would work, but there are other options. First chord could be a C or an Em. Second chord could be a D. You could make it an 8 bar pattern where four bars have more of a G major sound.
The vocal seems to be based mostly on a pentatonic scale of EGABD. You might keep that scale in mind also when you try to write your own riffs. But I would start with playing simple chords under the vocal and finding a progression that works for you, just with the chords and the vocal. That gives you a foundation to work from. Like that bass guitar player in the video you linked can easily make a part like that once he knows the chords, just by outlining some notes of the chord (emphasizing the root note since he is a bass player) and adding a few "in between" notes from the appropriate scale.
Sometimes notes can clash a little bit as long as it leads into something more pleasant. You might have a note or chord and think it doesn't go with the vocal, but then the next note in the vocal "makes it right".
Well, hopefully something out of this babble is helpful.
The vocal seems to be based mostly on a pentatonic scale of EGABD. You might keep that scale in mind also when you try to write your own riffs. But I would start with playing simple chords under the vocal and finding a progression that works for you, just with the chords and the vocal. That gives you a foundation to work from. Like that bass guitar player in the video you linked can easily make a part like that once he knows the chords, just by outlining some notes of the chord (emphasizing the root note since he is a bass player) and adding a few "in between" notes from the appropriate scale.
Sometimes notes can clash a little bit as long as it leads into something more pleasant. You might have a note or chord and think it doesn't go with the vocal, but then the next note in the vocal "makes it right".
Well, hopefully something out of this babble is helpful.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 212 posts since 5 Jun, 2006
Man you ears are perfect!!!
That's exactly what it is and she sings in Em pentatonic for sure, mr perfect pitch..heheheh
I think we almost took the "theory"(knowing the right notes/scale) away from the problem, now comes the talent to compose.
Another part that needs practice from me, specially with vocals.
I tend to put tp many stuff when she sings, hard to mix, and too crowdy, the catch is to do something "catchy",GROoooVY, with few elements, that's a hard.
Create the good riff...
Thanks.
That's exactly what it is and she sings in Em pentatonic for sure, mr perfect pitch..heheheh
I think we almost took the "theory"(knowing the right notes/scale) away from the problem, now comes the talent to compose.
Another part that needs practice from me, specially with vocals.
I tend to put tp many stuff when she sings, hard to mix, and too crowdy, the catch is to do something "catchy",GROoooVY, with few elements, that's a hard.
Create the good riff...
Thanks.